tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18473139.post3541951297181544570..comments2024-01-05T07:45:09.428-05:00Comments on The Emerson Avenger: Ms. Kitty aka Rev. Kit Ketcham Has Shared Her Concerns With Pacific Central District Trustee Linda LaskowskiRobin Edgarhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06208142626285495635noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18473139.post-1263524422459457732010-05-06T13:22:12.482-04:002010-05-06T13:22:12.482-04:00Well as I have said Rev. Ketcham, you have *earned...Well as I have said Rev. Ketcham, you have *earned* my respect. Quite regrettably too many other U*Us, including a few too many "less than excellent" U*U ministers, have gone out of their way to earn my disrespect. These U*Us have not only done absolutely nothing to try to earn my respect but have continued to behave in a manner that is considerably "less than respectable" and even deserving of condemnation and contempt.<br /><br />I think that I need to reiterate and underline the fact that whatever is said on The Emerson Avenger blog falls *within* the incredibly lax, if not completely non-existent. . . "boundaries" that the UUA and MFC have so foolishly set for the behavior of U*U ministers on the internet. The only difference is that I am prepared to sign my name to my calculated justice-seeking retributive "hurtful behavior" rather than hide behind the cowardly cover of internet anonymity. The basic underlying principle behind the following words of <a href="http://emersonavenger.blogspot.com/2007/01/how-rev-dr-tracey-robinson-harris.html" rel="nofollow">Rev. Dr. Tracey Robinson-Harris</a>, highly questionable words which were officially endorsed by MFC Executive Secretary <a href="http://emersonavenger.blogspot.com/2007/01/rev-beth-miller-executive-secretary-of.html" rel="nofollow">Rev. Beth Miller</a>, and no doubt *also* approved by UUA Executive Vice-President Kay Montgomery, is that *any* U*U minister can say absolutely *anything* that they care to say about *anyone* as long as they do so under the cowardly cover of internet anonymity -<br /><br />"It is the case that in <a href="http://www.google.ca/search?q=Peacebang's+%22sodomy+fantasy%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=" rel="nofollow">this situation</a> the minister’s blog is anonymous ( though you were able to <a href="http://emersonavenger.blogspot.com/2009/03/peacebang-aka-rev-victoria-weinstein.html" rel="nofollow">identify the individual</a>) and that she is free to express her opinions and to do so outside of her professional role as a minister serving a congregation."<br /><br />The question arises here as to just why I, or anyone else, should hold themselves to higher standards of behavior aka stricter "<a href="http://morningstarsrising.wordpress.com/2010/05/01/boundaries-and-limits/" rel="nofollow">boundaries and limits</a>" than "less than perfect" U*U ministers are held to by the Unitarian Universalist Association of Congregations and its very aptly named Ministerial *Fellowship* Committee. . .<br /><br />N'est-ce pas?Robin Edgarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06208142626285495635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18473139.post-92093293667200660072010-05-06T08:59:00.990-04:002010-05-06T08:59:00.990-04:00You're welcome, Robin. Thanks for your respec...You're welcome, Robin. Thanks for your respectfulness.Lilylouhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02328027965155428624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18473139.post-2923290514300953322010-05-05T19:15:07.283-04:002010-05-05T19:15:07.283-04:00Oh and thanks for having the moral courage to enga...Oh and thanks for having the moral courage to engage in dialogue with The Dreaded Emerson Avenger. ;-)Robin Edgarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06208142626285495635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18473139.post-5526653952718927052010-05-05T19:13:02.644-04:002010-05-05T19:13:02.644-04:00That's fine by me Ms. Kitty but it is *your* p...That's fine by me Ms. Kitty but it is *your* policy of respect for all. My own policy is to respect the respectable and disrespect the "less than respectable". I take my cue from a Roman contemporary of Jesus known as Publius Ovidius Naso aka <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ovid" rel="nofollow">Ovid</a> who once said -<br /><br />"If you want to be loved be loveable."<br /><br />I extend that principle to parallel bon mots such as -<br /><br />"If you want to be respected be respectable."<br /><br />"If you want to be honoured be honourable."<br /><br /><a href="http://mskittyssaloonandroadshow.blogspot.com/2009/12/moral-courage-who-has-it-and-what-does.html?showComment=1260082337329#c8664317675377908914" rel="nofollow">As I have said before</a>. . .Robin Edgarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06208142626285495635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18473139.post-4142695138216694722010-05-05T16:05:56.117-04:002010-05-05T16:05:56.117-04:00You're right about that example of Jesus and t...You're right about that example of Jesus and the moneychangers, all right, but I still stick by my policy of respect for all.Lilylouhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02328027965155428624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18473139.post-79373932889676051062010-05-05T13:27:45.836-04:002010-05-05T13:27:45.836-04:00Thank you for your prompt response to this blog po...Thank you for your prompt response to this blog post Ms. Kitty, <br /><br />I seem to recall Jesus taking a whip to the money changers at the Temple Ms. Kitty and, <a href="admonition%20by%20Jesus%20not%20to%20return%20evil%20for%20evil%20applies%20here." rel="nofollow">if my memory serves me well</a>, Jesus was no slouch at using "hurtful words" to criticize hypocrites etc. Quite frankly The Emerson Avenger is a sweet little pussycat compared to Jesus of Nazareth and he injects a fair bit of humor into his "hurtful behavior". You might want to read the Book Of Revelation again for the first time to see just how well Jesus lives up to his admonition not to return evil for evil. . . <br /><br />The fact of the matter is that I have been as respectful as possible under the circumstances many times in the past only to have hypocritical U*Us willfully ignore, irresponsibly dismiss, and unjustly reject my dignified demands for some justice, equity and compassion. The "hurtful words" of my "eye for an eye" retributive justice are a direct result of U*Us abjectly failing and obstinately refusing to provide some genuine *restorative* justice to me and other victims of the *hurtful* behavior of "less than excellent" U*U ministers. I might add that my "hurtful behavior" is every bit as much "within the appropriate guidelines of ministerial leadership" as the "hurtful behavior" of Rev. Ray Drennan, Rev. Victoria Weinstein, and any number of other "less than perfect" U*U ministers. <br /><br />I see no reason why my respectful, and even friendly, behavior towards you would change unless you gave me very good reason to lower the level of respect and friendship that you have earned by daring to publicly acknowledge your own "less than perfect" behavior towards me in the past, and showing a reasonable amount of respect for me.<br /><br />Best Regards,<br /><br />Robin Edgar aka The Dreaded Emerson Avenger :-)Robin Edgarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06208142626285495635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18473139.post-56013125663428048682010-05-05T13:08:21.545-04:002010-05-05T13:08:21.545-04:00Hi, Robin, your post on my comment to Linda L'...Hi, Robin, your post on my comment to Linda L's post is duly noted. I guess my response to your thoughts is that I am not a fan of the philosophy that returns abuse for abuse. I understand that you have been hurt; I don't deny that. But my faith in the admonition by Jesus not to return evil for evil applies here. <br /><br />I have found that it works better to be respectful, even when hurt by others' words or actions. I can't condone your hurtful behavior towards those who insult and malign you any more than I can condone their hurtful behavior toward you.<br /><br />I do appreciate very much your respectful behavior toward me and my blog; we've had some good exchanges. I hope that is not going to change.<br /><br />Sincerely,<br />KitLilylouhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02328027965155428624noreply@blogger.com