The Emerson Avenger

The Emerson Avenger is a "memory hole" free blog where censorship is scorned. This blog will "guard the right to know" about any injustices and abuses that corrupt Unitarian Universalism. Posters may speak and argue freely, according to conscience, about any injustices and abuses, or indeed hypocrisy, that they may know about so that the Avenger, in the form of justice and redress, may come surely and swiftly. . . "Slowly, slowly the Avenger comes, but comes surely." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

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In 1992 I underwent a profound revelatory experience of God which revealed that the total solar eclipse "Eye of God" is a "Sign in the Heavens" that symbolizes God's divine omniscience. You may read about what Rev. Ray Drennan of the Unitarian Church of Montreal contemptuously dismissed as my "psychotic experience" here: http://revelationisnotsealed.homestead.com - This revelatory religious experience inspired me to propose an inter-religious celebration of Creation that would take place whenever a total solar eclipse took place over our planet. You may read about what Rev. Ray Drennan and other leading members of the Unitarian Church of Montreal falsely and maliciously labeled as a "cult" here: http://creationday.homestead.com - I am now an excommunicated Unitarian whose "alternative spiritual practice" includes publicly exposing and denouncing Unitarian*Universalist injustices, abuses, and hypocrisy. The Emerson Avenger blog will serve that purpose for me and hopefully others will share their concerns here. Dee Miller's term DIM Thinking is used frequently and appropriately on this blog. You may read more about what DIM Thinking is here - http://www.takecourage.org/defining.htm

Tuesday, May 01, 2007

Censorship And Hypocrisy In The U*U "Religious Community"

James Andrix aka the Indrax troll has accused me of "censorship and hypocrisy" in his off-topic SPAM comments to the previous post below this one and he has demanded that I apologize for this alleged "censorship and hypocrisy". At least within the U*U World. . . it is open to some debate as to whether or not I have engaged in actual censorship of James Andrix' posts. In my initial response to his off-topic SPAM post I had made it clear that any further debate of James Andrix' accusations of "censorship and hypocrisy" should be continued in the U*U Hole but I have now decided that the issue of censorship and hypocrisy in the U*U World is worthy of a brand-spanking new thread of its own. I am hereby inviting, indeed I am hereby challenging. . . James Andrix to come and present his case as to just how I am guilty of "censorship and hypocrisy". This "censorship and hypocrisy" thread should get quite interesting indeed. I predict that James Andrix aka indrax will soon be chowing down on his own words and eating crow once again. . .

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Blogger James Andrix said...

This January, you said:
Perhaps the aptly named Ant-hypocrite would care to explain how moving SPAM posts or cowardly anonymous rants to a place where they can be read by anyone who cares to do so constitutes "censorship".

In December of '05, you said:(emphasis added)

It is a form of censorship if the posts are removed from the pertinent threads that they were posted to and "pigeon holed" in a single area, especially when no notice of that fact is given in the threads that the posts were originally posted to and subsequently removed from. A site that claims to be anti censorship shouldn't move posts period. If FUUSE had a problem with my posts they should have folowed their own advice and spoken to me about it. They did no such thing before the wholesale removal of my posts from the threads that they were posted to.

Jonny Fire asserted in a private email that came only after I complained about his censorship that my posts were "off topic" to the threads I posted to. This is a standard ploy of UU censors. . . In fact most if not all were very much "on topic" to the subjects and/or concepts being discussed or reasonably played off of those topics.


and slightly later:

Google can find it but, in that it was removed from the FUUSE news section fewer UUs will see it. FUUSE is definitely engaging in censorship in spite of all their claims to the contrary.

I have more on the censorship issue, but I'll let this digest for now. I won't even explain it to people. You know what you've done.

I'll admit it is difficult to remain on topic when you ignore and censor posts that point your faults.

Still waiting.

Wednesday, May 02, 2007 7:20:00 am  
Blogger Robin Edgar said...

Indeed I am perfectly aware of what I have said indrax. I think that I have done an excellent job of exposing the outrageously hypocritical double standards of U*Us via this little exercise. . . There are in fact some significant difference between my moving of your genuinely off-topic posts and FUUSE's blatantly hypocritical censorship of my posts. For starters all of the posts that FUUSE's Johnny Fire removed from threads were in fact on topic to the issues raised in the thread whereas many of your moved posts were completely off-topic to the threads that you posted your SPAM to. My posts were in fact *pertinent* to the theme and content of the FUUSE threads that they were posted to. Most if not all of your moved posts were completely off-topic.

I warned you repeatedly that I would would take steps to deal with your completely off-topic SPAM comments if you kept them up before taking any action to move your off-topic posts to the U*U Hole. FUUSE did no such thing. FUUSE removed my posts in a highly arbiotrary manner with virtually no prior warning that they would move my posts.

When I did finally move your off-topic posts to the U*U Hole I clearly stated in the threads that your SPAM comments had been removed from that your off-topic posts had been moved and directed any and all blog readers to where they could read what you had said if they chose to wade through your off-topic SPAM. FUUSE did no such thing. There is no indication whatsoever in any of the threads that FUUSE removed my *pertinent* highly pertinent posts from that they had moved any posts. FUUSE did not direct readers to where they could read my comments they they quite arbitarily deemed to be "off-topic". FUUSE tried to hide and suppress what I said. I did no such thing. I directed readers to where they could read your SPAM if they wanted to.

Your "off-topic" posts were genuinely off-topic. The posts that FUUSE removed because they were allegedly "off-topic" were in fact quite pertinent to the themes and content of the threads they were posted to or to follow-up comments that other people had made to those threads. In short FUUSE lied about my posts being off-topic.

FUUSE is far more guilty of "censorship and hypocrisy" than I am or likely ever will be. The same may be said about the Unitarian Church of Montreal, the UUA, and the U*U "religious community" more generally. In fact U*Us have repeatedly completely "memory holed" my words and have otherwise attempted to completely censor and suppress my legitimate critcism and dissent whereas your genuinely off-topic SPAM has only been shifted to another thread that anyone can read if they so choose. When are you and other U*Us going to acknowledge your own egregious "censorship and hypocrisy" indrax? When will U*Us apologize to me and other victims of U*U injustices and abuses that go well beyond egregious censorship and suppression of legitimate criticism and dissent?

Would you like some fries with your crow indrax? I am only just getting started on the issue of U*U censorship and hypocrisy. You and other U*Us will be eating crow for some time yet. . .

Wednesday, May 02, 2007 1:55:00 pm  
Blogger James Andrix said...

The question is robin: are you ready to apologize for your censorship and hypocrisy? or even admit it?

Wednesday, May 02, 2007 3:22:00 pm  
Blogger Robin Edgar said...

Not really indrax. For starters it has yet to be determined if my moving of your posts while clearly directing readers to where they may be read actually constitutes censorship. Many U*Us would argue such moving of off-topic SPAM posts does not censorship. U*Us can't have their cake and eat it to but they most certainly can eat crow. . .

Wednesday, May 02, 2007 3:38:00 pm  
Blogger James Andrix said...

It is a form of censorship if the posts are removed from the pertinent threads that they were posted to and "pigeon holed" in a single area

A site that claims to be anti censorship shouldn't move posts period.

Wednesday, May 02, 2007 4:40:00 pm  
Blogger Robin Edgar said...

But apparently U*Us do not agree that such moving of posts constitutes censorship since FUUSE continues to pretend to be censorship free, even though they most certainly moved my pertinent posts in a way that was far more underhanded than my moving of your posts with clear notification in each thread that I was moving your completely off-topic SPAM. . .

"FUUSE is taking a firm stance on censorship, by not allowing any. Call it an experiment if you will. There have already been countless endeavours in trying to censor various levels of various different things throughout time and the world. Here and now we are going to find out what happens when we censor nothing.
If you see, hear or read anything on FUUSE that you think is inappropriate or hurtful or obscene, You are encouraged to approach the source of the material and educate in the reasons why you think it shouldn't have happened, or why it is inappropriate or hurtful or obscene. Or even better post responses on the message board for the whole community. (hopefully clear and well-thought-out responses, because Name-calling is pretty fucking weak don't you think?) oops, look at what I just did. Let the anti censorship experiment begin!"

I dare say that FUUSE's anti-censorship experiment ended within hours of my first posting to FUUSE even though my comments were quite pertinent to the themes and content of the threads that they were posted to, weren't even all *that* controversial, and were nowhere near as egregiously repetive SPAMMING as your completely off-topic posts that finally I felt obliged to create the U*U Hole for. . . When will FUUSE admit that they are guilty of "censorship and hypocrisy"? When will the Unitarian Church of Montreal and the UUA admit that they are guilty of far worse "censorship and hypocrisy" than my quite minimal "moderation" of your numerous repetative off-topic SPAM posts indrax?

Wednesday, May 02, 2007 5:35:00 pm  
Blogger James Andrix said...

I don't answer for FUUSE.

You answer for you.

How do you integrate what you've done with what you believe?

Is there any limit to what you will do, just to cast the blame to someone you claim is worse?

Thursday, May 03, 2007 5:55:00 am  
Blogger Robin Edgar said...

Sorry indrax but you are being quite disingenuous. You are a U*U. U*Us, as a religious community, purport to be great defenders of civil rights and liberties and to be opposed to censorship by church, state or any other institution. As quoted earlier in this thread, FUUSE specifically claims that its web site is completely censorship free. If my moving of your genuinely off-topic SPAM posts constitutes *censorship*, even though I clearly informed readers that your posts had been moved, and directed them to where yuour posts could be read, then FU*USE is full of sh*t when it continues to claim to "censor nothing." How does FUUSE and your beloved U*U religious community integrate what they have clearly and unequivocally done with what they claim in their principles, purposes and propaganda?

Thursday, May 03, 2007 9:14:00 am  
Blogger Robin Edgar said...

:How do you integrate what you've done with what you believe?

That's real easy indrax. First off I have very good reason to believe that your repeated off-topic SPAMMING of numerous threads here, even after I provided a thread dedicated to "arguing with indrax", was a knowing and willful attempt on your part to force me to apply some "moderation" to your numerous SPAM posts just so you could then accuse me of engaging in censorship. As you have very clearly done indrax. . . AFAIAC if you and other U*Us want to play those kinds of cynical games with me I just might play along for a bit to your own detriment. . .

If you read The Emerson Avenger's Mission statement at the top of the blog you will see that I have not in fact violated it in finally being forced to move your genuinely off-topic repetitive SPAM posts to another location on this blog while clearly directing any and all blog readers to where they may read your off-topic SPAM posts if they choose to do so. Nothing has been "memory holed" indrax. Your words are available to be read by anyone who chooses to do so, and I placed notices in the threads that they were removed from directing readers to where they may be read.

FUUSE on the other hand made no mention whatsoever of the fact that they had removed my very much on-topic pertinent comments from a number of threads and had hid them elsewhere on the site in a section tellingly titled "opinionhated". . . If I am not mistaken, and it is within possibility that I am mistaken about this, FUUSE completely removed one of my posts from their site and did not repost it elsewhere on their site that now quite fraudulently claims to be completely free of any censorship whatsoever. Did I forget to mention that, just as the UUA has permanently banned me from posting anything to any of their web sites and list serves etc., FUUSE has permanently banned me from posting anything to the FUUSE site?

:Is there any limit to what you will do, just to cast the blame to someone you claim is worse?

Don't worry indrax, there are all kinds of limits to what I will do. My responses to U*U injustices, abuses and hypocrisy are actually very controlled and well within good old Unitarian "reason". I think that you have it somewhat U*U-backwards in any case indrax. What I will do on occasion, where it is highly justified and warranted to do so, is to expose U*U injustices, abuses, hypocrisy by doing what U*Us do unto others until U*Us hypocritically squawk about it. . . It's part of my "do unto U*Us as U*Us do unto others" policy that I was pretty much forced to adopt due to the obstinate, indeed quite pathological, refusal of U*Us to acknowledge the various injustices, abuses and hypocrisy that they are clearly and unequivocally responsible for perpetrating and perpetuating.

I got a real chuckle out of the moronic DIM Thinking U*U who accused me of "Big Brotheresque rationalizations" (or words to that effect) regarding my quite moderate and highly justified "moderation" of your repetative off-topic SPAMMING when those very "rationalizations" that were indeed symptomatic of "Big Brother" were simply my parroting of the standard rationalizatins that U*Us regularly use to rationalize their own well-documented egregious censorship and suppression of perfectly legitimate criticism and dissent. . .

Thursday, May 03, 2007 10:14:00 am  
Blogger James Andrix said...

In general, I post repeatedly to force you to acknowledge what I am saying. You wanted to bury criticisms of yourself even before you censored. (on the other hand, the indrax thread itself is censorship by your own definition.) The indrax thread is just a device you used so that no one coming across your page can easily discover that you are a liar.

And yes, when it became clear that you were willing to censor, I decided to make you show your character. Thank you.

How 'indrax made me do it' justifies your hypocrisy OR the censorship itself, I cannot fathom.

You have done what you claim to scorn Robin.
You have denied me the ability to argue here freely, and so denied your readers the right to know.

Further, you have done more that move posts around. You have outright 'Memory Holed' posts.

During the period that you had comment moderation enabled, I tried to make this post:
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you completely "memory holed" a whole blog that you had started when I discovered it sooner than you would have liked

ummm, that's not true.

So I thkink it is quite reasonable to rationalize that your post should not exist and therefore may be deleted without actually constituting "memory holing".

I think it is quite reasonable to call that a rationalization.

There was just a fairly logical rationalization that posts made in violation of the suspension should not 'truly' exist and thus could reasonably be deleted without actually "memory holing".

"unlawful combatant"

P.S. This is a non-post, so it can't be violating the ban.
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What happened to it Robin?

Don't worry indrax, there are all kinds of limits to what I will do. My responses to U*U injustices, abuses and hypocrisy are actually very controlled

Controlled by who? I decided to make you into a censor. What if I decide to make you a murderer? You said you wouldn't censor, and then you did. What does your word mean?

the moronic DIM Thinking U*U who accused me of "Big Brotheresque rationalizations"
I'm not sure, but I don't think he was a UU.

In any case, I'd love to know which UU's declared your posts to be 'non-posts' that should not exist.

Thursday, May 03, 2007 4:23:00 pm  

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