Lo-Fi Tribe! "moderation" in question. . .
This post to Lo-Fi Tribe thread 'My Unitarian Universalist Ministry 4' is "awaiting moderation". i.e. being withheld for censorship and suppression purposes by blog owner Shawn Anthony (aka userx).
It responds to Shawn's assertion -
Tolerance is a buzz-word. It also seems to represent a weaker personal position on difference and other. Acceptance is much more edifying. Acceptance is authentically inherent in each of the Seven Principles, but is not quite the point of the Seventh.
How much acceptance should one have? As much as you would like to be given, I suppose.
end quote
Since this critical post is quite unlikely to survive the "moderation" (dare I say "tolerance" and/or "acceptance?) of Shawn Anthony I will post it here as well -
Well I would have liked it very much if a certain unmentionable minister and other bigoted UUs had not intolerantly, to say nothing of outright maliciously, labeled Creation Day as "your cult". I would have liked it very much if an unmentionable "Humanist" UU minister had not intolerantly, to say nothing of contemptuously and abusively, labeled my profound revelatory religious experience as "your psychotic experience".
How much "tolerance" and "acceptance" should I have for such intolerance and contempt on the part of UUs. Zero I think. . .
Quite regrettably the record clearly shows that many UUs, including some top level UUA officials and various UU clergy, demonstrate a shamefully high degree of tolerance and acceptance for the blatantly obvious religious intolerance and bigotry that I have been subjected to by self-professed "Humanist" UUs. . .
It responds to Shawn's assertion -
Tolerance is a buzz-word. It also seems to represent a weaker personal position on difference and other. Acceptance is much more edifying. Acceptance is authentically inherent in each of the Seven Principles, but is not quite the point of the Seventh.
How much acceptance should one have? As much as you would like to be given, I suppose.
end quote
Since this critical post is quite unlikely to survive the "moderation" (dare I say "tolerance" and/or "acceptance?) of Shawn Anthony I will post it here as well -
Well I would have liked it very much if a certain unmentionable minister and other bigoted UUs had not intolerantly, to say nothing of outright maliciously, labeled Creation Day as "your cult". I would have liked it very much if an unmentionable "Humanist" UU minister had not intolerantly, to say nothing of contemptuously and abusively, labeled my profound revelatory religious experience as "your psychotic experience".
How much "tolerance" and "acceptance" should I have for such intolerance and contempt on the part of UUs. Zero I think. . .
Quite regrettably the record clearly shows that many UUs, including some top level UUA officials and various UU clergy, demonstrate a shamefully high degree of tolerance and acceptance for the blatantly obvious religious intolerance and bigotry that I have been subjected to by self-professed "Humanist" UUs. . .
Comments
Just run a Google seach on the term -
"Eye of God"
and you will find my "web sights" dedicated to that particular subject ranked very highly on the first page of results.
It works even better in MSN search. . .
My 'Revelation Is Not Sealed!' "web sight" goes into some detail about my profound revelatory religious experience, or alleged "psychotic experience". . . that made it very clear to me that God is omniscient and that the total solar eclipse "Eye of God" is a bona fide "Sign In The Heavens" that is intended to serve as a cosmic symbol of God's divine omniscience.
I recently updated my "Eye of God" "web sight" as well as my Egyptian "Eye of Horus" symbol "web sight" to provide a count-down until the next appearance of this symbolic "Eye of God" during the March 29, 2006 total solar eclipse.
Best Regards,
Robin Edgar
I see no reason why any and all UU blogs, that discuss issues that are directly or closely related to my problems should be immune from my commentary.
: At this point it doesn't even matter if you make a post that does make sense.
Actually virtually all of my posts make plenty of sense and do matter. . .
: Your consistent blathering has made you a pariah.
Wrong. I was a "pariah" to fundamentalist atheist "Humanist" UUs long before I began posting my consistent criticism to the internet. My perfectly legitimate criticism, dissent, and protest will remain consistent until such time as UUs responsibly address the "root causes" of my consistent critique.
: Have you apologized to any of the bloggers you have annoyed?
No and I see no reason why I should. If UUs did not so blatantly and consisently engage in censorship and suppression of my own and other people's legitimate criticism and dissent I would not feel the need to "blather" quite so much. . . I have little choice but to shoot "broadsides" precisely because it's the only way to ensure that at least a few of my "shots" reach their target.
: Or do you simply consider them part of the vast conspiracy who actually care about you beyond your annoyances.
Describing my posts about very real UU injustices and abuses, particularly those involving abusive clergy misconduct, as "annoyances" is what is known to advocates for victims of clergy misconduct as DIM Thinking. i.e. an insidious synthesis of Denial, Ignorance and Minimization of the injustices and abuses that are being exposed and denounced.
The difference between someone like Scott Wells making a complaint about clergy, and you making a complaint, is that he is actually respected and liked to a certain degree. You have chosen to be an annoying troll posting off topic. If you can not see that your posts are off topic then you are either entirely dim witted or blinded by your anger.
The only one I have seen in denial is you in thinking that you are not an obnoxious troll. And any minimization being done is because obnoxious trolls deserve little respect and not to be taken seriously. Had you chosen to politely come into the blog community I would probably take you seriously. But as it is you are just an obnoxious troll.
I do not buy products from spammers, nor do I feel the need to encourage your troll behaviour so i do choose to remain ignorant of your plight. Unless someone else mentions you or gives cause to pay attention I will ignore your the cause of your protestations. But to be perfectly clear the reason for this is entirely your obnoxious behavior and has nothing to do with wanting to maintain an illusion of perfection within the UU ranks of clergy. I also do not deny any wrong doing occured, I remain ignorant of the facts and can not comment on that.
But you sir, are a schmuck.
Wrong. Most if not all of my posts were very pertinent to, and thus did in fact "belong" to, the topics and concepts being discussed either in the original posts or in the follow-up comments from other bloggers. My posts most certainly are being censored to protect not only various unmentionable UU ministers, but also top level UUA officials, and various other UUs including some UU bloggers like Philocrites and Rev. Clyde Grubbs etc. etc., from my very legitimate and more often than not quite evidently well-founded accusations.
: No more so than spammers. You are trying to derail the current topic and post regarding your personal vendetta.
: Which is what spammers do, ignore the topic at hand and post to further their personal agenda.
But I do not "ignore the topic at hand" at all. Au contraire my posts almost always "belong" to the topic at hand as may be seen with those various posts of mine that have not been "memory holed" by DIM Thinking UUs engaging in cover-up and denial of clergy misconduct of various sorts and various other unpleasant UU realities.
: The difference between someone like Scott Wells making a complaint about clergy, and you making a complaint, is that he is actually respected and liked to a certain degree.
No. The difference is that I am fully prepared to name and shame certain unmentionable UU ministers, incompetent and hypocritical UUA officials, various other UU hypocrites and provide highly credible and detailed information about diverse UU injustices, abuses, and hypocrisy. Whereas Rev. Scott Wells disingenuously rationalizes his own knowing and willful participation in what he calls the *veil of silence and fog of frustration* (and what I rightly call DIM Thinking and institutional stonewalling, cover-up and denial) by pretending to fear a "libel case", I say a lot more and would genuinely welcome a libel case as it would allow me to show that all of my various accusations are highly justified and most are founded on very well-documented facts.
: You have chosen to be an annoying troll posting off topic. If you can not see that your posts are off topic then you are either entirely dim witted or blinded by your anger.
Neither dim witted nor blinded by anger. In fact if you cannot see that my posts are usually very much on topic then perhaps you yourself are sincerely ignorant, conscientiously stupid, or blinded by your own anger. . .
: The only one I have seen in denial is you in thinking that you are not an obnoxious troll. And any minimization being done is because obnoxious trolls deserve little respect and not to be taken seriously.
And why do you suppose that I do not take you very seriously Anonymouse?
: Had you chosen to politely come into the blog community I would probably take you seriously.
I very much doubt it based on your previous highly obnoxious posts here. You have no idea how politely I might have come into the blog community because most of my posts were promptly "memory holed" no matter how comparatively polite they may have been. . .
: But as it is you are just an obnoxious troll.
Speak for yourself. I am fully confident that most intelligent and senstitive people of conscience who would care to compare my posts to yours will see who is more rightly described as an obnoxious troll.. . .
: I do not buy products from spammers, nor do I feel the need to encourage your troll behaviour so i do choose to remain ignorant of your plight.
I and most other UUs would choose to remain sincerely ignorant of my plight no matter how politely I presented my plight. I tried the polite route long ago and got nowhere with it. Hence my A "CHURCHÈ WHERE WILLFUL IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH picket sign slogan.
: Unless someone else mentions you or gives cause to pay attention I will ignore your the cause of your protestations. But to be perfectly clear the reason for this is entirely your obnoxious behavior and has nothing to do with wanting to maintain an illusion of perfection within the UU ranks of clergy.
: I also do not deny any wrong doing occured, I remain ignorant of the facts and can not comment on that.
Yes your willful ignorance as in sincerely ignorant DIM Thinking is perfectly evident to me and most other intelligent folks who care to read your obnoxious posts.
: But you sir, are a schmuck.
And you sir (or possibly madame. . .) would appear to be suffering from penis envy. . .
Allah prochaine,
Robin Edgar
And since someone I do respect has done you the courtesy of mentioning you I read some of the links. You got an apology, but that wasn't enough for you. You troll, but when accused of trolling you respond with "I am just a victim". I guess you found your true calling, playing the victim. I hope my obnoxious posts have gratified you in what appears to be your new calling, playing the victim.
Yeah, I think I am probably done here. No, I don't wish you ill. I do feel sorry for you. If nothing else this incident has certainly appeared to drain away many hours of your life. I think you have made yourself a victim twice over. Perhaps you may not find the resolution you seek, but I do hope you find peace.
Oddly I suspect that off all the comments I have left, this one has the best chance of being memory holed.
Namaste
The first sentence at the top of the page clearly states -
The Emerson Avenger is a "memory hole" free blog where censorship is scorned.
I have yet to "memory hole" any post other than a few of my own that had HTML errors and were immediately replaced with corrected versions of the same post.
: Not that reality ever seems to make much difference to you, but it's hard to accept your description of Philocrites as someone who wants to "hide the truth" when he has done you the courtesy of mentioning your blog and articles relating to your complaints.
That alleged "courtesy" was only done after Philocrites had repeatedly "memory holed" various pertinent posts and had tried to permanently ban me from his blog. He still "memory holes" pretty much everything that I post to his blog. He left up a few of my posts only to try to give the impression that he was not engaged in institutional cover-up and denial of my legitimate grievances.
: Yeah, I am sure he memory holes some of your comments, but considering the comments I have seen on you leave on other blogger's sites that have not been memory holed I can see why he would.
I will be posting most if not all of the "memory holed" posts here when I find the time and you and others will see that Philocrites' was, and still is. . . most certainly trying to cover-up and deny some unpleasant UU truths.
: So, in terms of your politeness I have seen non memory holed comments of yours. So it's obvious you never intended to be polite.
That would depend on what the meaning of the word "polite" is. . . Many of my posts were every bit as "polite" as those of Philocrites and other UU bloggers when they expose and denounce various injustices, abuses, and hypocrisy that occur outside of the UU religious community.
The initial postings that I made to various UU blogs were variants of this one. I would say that it is as "polite" as can be given the controversial subject matter that it is dealing with. . .
: In another comment on this blog you even said "almost all", or in other words, not all have been related to the topic at hand. Further denial on your part simply chips further away at your credibility.
What denial? I am not denying anything nor am I in denial of readily verifiable reality like you and far too many other UUs. . . My credibility is very high and pretty much everything that I am saying about UUs is supported by an abundance of readily verifiable documentary evidence.
: And since someone I do respect has done you the courtesy of mentioning you I read some of the links. You got an apology, but that wasn't enough for you.
That is a misleading "half-truth" that snidely insinuates that Rev. Ray Drennan's so-called "apology" was unjustly rejected by me. In fact, after confronting Rev. Ray Drennan about his lying to the Board of the Unitarian Church of Montreal by denying that he had said what he had in fact said, I received an insincere, far from adequate, purely expedient, so-called "formal apology" that besides being over a year and a half late. . . would not have been "good enough" for anyone who had any self-respect at all. Rev. Ray Drennan's sorry excuse for an "apology" even contained a thinly veiled insult that effectively maintained all of the harmful and damaging allegations that he had made about me.
: You troll, but when accused of trolling you respond with "I am just a victim".
Really Anonymouse? Just where have I ever responded with "I am just a victim."
Nowhere according to Google. . .
: I guess you found your true calling, playing the victim.
Yup that's me "The Emerson Avenger" just "playing the victim". You really are too funny Anonymouse. . .
: I hope my obnoxious posts have gratified you in what appears to be your new calling, playing the victim.
Sorry Anonymouse but my "new calling" is "The Emerson Avenger". Hardly sounds like someone "playing the victim" to me. . . No. All that your obnoxious posts have done is clearly illustrate to all concerned just how obstinately obnoxious some internet trolls, UU or otherwise. . . really are. If you are yet another demeaning and abusive UU troll, as I have good reason to "suspect", your obnoxious posts only serve as a few more exhibits in the mountain of publicly available documentary evidence that serves to proove just how obnoxious and abusive some UUs clearly are. Just a bit more UU grist for my mill. . .
: Yeah, I think I am probably done here.
So do I. . . ;-)
UU're "done" quite nicely I think. . .
: No, I don't wish you ill.
No of course not. . .
"Why don't you do us all a favor and hold your breath until those Google search terms actually show up at Google Zeitgeist. Not that a lack of oxygen to your brain would make much difference."
"You are a frick'n joke, and jokes are funny."
"But you sir, are a schmuck."
: I do feel sorry for you.
I not so respectfully suggest that feeling sorry for yourself would be much more appropriate.
: If nothing else this incident has certainly appeared to drain away many hours of your life.
"This" is not just an "incident". It's a decade long, and still ongoing. . . harmful and outright malicious attack on my inherent worth and dignity as a human being by numerous obnoxious, abusive, and stunningly hypocritical UUs who have obstinately and repeatedly made a complete mockery of the purported principles and ideals of the UU religious community; including, but by no means limited to. . . those UU principles which so fraudulently purport to "affirm and promote" Justice, equity and compassion in human relations; Acceptance of one another and encouragement to spiritual growth in our congregations; A free and responsible search for truth and meaning; The right of conscience and the use of the democratic process within our congregations and in society at large; The goal of world community with peace, liberty, and justice for all; and Respect for the interdependent web of all existence of which we are a part.
I believe that those many hours that I have spent exposing, denouncing, and combatting diverse UU injustices, abuses and outrageous hypocrisy have been very well spent although there is no doubt that those many hours could have been spent on much more pleasant, positive, and productive activities if UUs were not such absolutely stunning hypocrites.
: I think you have made yourself a victim twice over.
Not at all. It is unjust, inequitable, uncompassionate and outright abusive UUs like the Board and congregation of the Unitarian Church of Montreal, MFC Director Rev. Diane Miller, UUA President John Buehrens and many others who made me a victim twice over by not only abjectly failing and obstinately refusing to responsibly redress my entirely legitimate grievances arising from Rev. Ray Drennan's clearly demeaning and abusive clergy misconduct, but who then repeatedly subjected me to unjust punitive measures, including trumped up criminal charges. . . because I refused to accept such UU injustices, abuses and hypocrisy and chose instead to speak and to argue freely, according to conscience, within our own church and in society at large. . .
: Perhaps you may not find the resolution you seek, but I do hope you find peace.
No justice. No peace.
For me or for UUs. . .
You still claim Philocrites is involved in a cover up despite his posting some of the same links to the Montreal Mirror that you do. Ok, that's really not the way to build credibility.
I have little choice but to shoot "broadsides" precisely because it's the only way to ensure that at least a few of my "shots" reach their target.
You excuse your inappropriate behavior ("shooting broadsides") by saying you are the victim of censorship instead of owning up to the fact that your posts veer wildly off topic and may be removed because they are not appropriate. Doesn't help your credibility.
Yes I said some mean things, and my apologies. But I have had a profound revelatory experience and realize I was not being nice, hopefully this is something you can understand and will not be dismissive of. I wish you well.
Namaste
You are missing the point, possibly deliberately so. . . and selectively misquoting me in any case.
As the link clearly shows I actually said - Someone really should send a mystery worshipper ort (sic) indeed a real UU enforcer to the Unitarian Church of Montreal. . .
end quote
Any mystery worshipper, or indeed any bona fide UU enforcer. . . who shows up at the Unitarian Church of Montreal could quite readily figure out what happened nearly a decade ago by having a chat with me as I picket outside. In any case, although the conflict began a decade ago, in every single year since the commencement of this ongoing conflict Montreal Unitarians and/or UUs more generally have said and done sincerely ignorant and conscientiously stupid things that have added to the obvious injustices, readily evident abuses, and undisguised outrageous hypocrisy that they are clearly guilty of.
In September of this year I was threatened with fairly serious physical assault by a member of the Unitarian Church of Montreal and he now faces criminal charges for uttering threats against me. I will have my (second) day in court in mid-January 2006. Just a few weeks ago two overly aggressive Montreal police officers foolishly, and almost certainly illegaglly. . . seized and destroyed most of my picket signs after receiving yet another complaint from the Unitarian church of Montreal. Montreal Unitarians lend a whole new meaning to the term "police harassment" by calling in bogus complaints almost every time I show up to protest in front of this alleged Unitarian "Church". Any mystery worshipper or genuine UU enforcer who enters into a genuinely responsible search for the truth and meaning behind my protest activities can most certainly figure out not only what happened nearly ago but what happened throughout that decade and is still happening in the present. . .
: Yeah, you really stay on topic.
Indeed I do. . .
: Doesn't help your credibility.
My credibility is doing just fine thank you very much. . . The credibility of the Unitarian Church of Montreal and the greater UU religious community is quite another matter. . .
: You still claim Philocrites is involved in a cover up despite his posting some of the same links to the Montreal Mirror that you do. Ok, that's really not the way to build credibility.
My claim that Philocrites is involved in a cover up, despite his posting some of the links to the Montreal Mirror that I provided to him, is perfectly credible in that he has in fact "memory holed" most of my highly pertinent posts to his blog and continues to do so. Philocrites is most certainly engaging in cover-up and denial even if it is not utterly complete cover-up and denial.
: You excuse your inappropriate behavior ("shooting broadsides") by saying you are the victim of censorship instead of owning up to the fact that your posts veer wildly off topic and may be removed because they are not appropriate. Doesn't help your credibility.
My posts are by no means "wildly off topic" as may be verified by viewing those that were not "memory holed" on other blogs and as will be even more verifiable when I get around to reposting those posts that have been "memory holed" by Philocrites, Rev. Clyde Grubbs, Rev. Scott Wells and other prominent UUs who are quite evidently involved in cover-up and denial of the UU injustices, abuses and hypocrisy that I am exposing to public view and denouncing.
: Yes I said some mean things, and my apologies.
Actually like many of the UU I have the misfortune to know you said some sincerely ignorant and conscientiously stupid things.
Your patently insincere sorry excuse for an apology is hereby rejected. . .
: But I have had a profound revelatory experience and realize I was not being nice,
Good for you. Anyone reading your posts will also have a profound revelatory experience and realize that you, and no shortage of other obnoxious UUs, have not been very nice to me and no shortage of other human beings who have been victimized by sincerely ignorant and conscientiously stupid, tyo say nothing of bigoted, hostile and abusive. . . Unitarian Universalists.
: hopefully this is something you can understand and will not be dismissive of.
As you can see I am by no means dismissive of your profound revelatory experience that you were not being nice to me. I wholeheartedly concur as will most other intelligent and sensitive human beings who possess a modicum of conscience.
: I wish you well.
It really does not appear that way Anonymouse and not just to me I dare say. . . If you really wished me well you would do your part to try to heal the wounds inflicted on me by rather too many UUs rather than attempting to inflict a few more yourself. . .
: Namaste
I consider your "Namaste" to be every bit as sincere as that of Rev. Ray Drennan. . .