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The Emerson Avenger is a "memory hole" free blog where censorship is scorned. This blog will "guard the right to know" about any injustices and abuses that corrupt Unitarian Universalism. Posters may speak and argue freely, according to conscience, about any injustices and abuses, or indeed hypocrisy, that they may know about so that the Avenger, in the form of justice and redress, may come surely and swiftly. . . "Slowly, slowly the Avenger comes, but comes surely." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

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In 1992 I underwent a profound revelatory experience of God which revealed that the total solar eclipse "Eye of God" is a "Sign in the Heavens" that symbolizes God's divine omniscience. You may read about what Rev. Ray Drennan of the Unitarian Church of Montreal contemptuously dismissed as my "psychotic experience" here: http://revelationisnotsealed.homestead.com - This revelatory religious experience inspired me to propose an inter-religious celebration of Creation that would take place whenever a total solar eclipse took place over our planet. You may read about what Rev. Ray Drennan and other leading members of the Unitarian Church of Montreal falsely and maliciously labeled as a "cult" here: http://creationday.homestead.com - I am now an excommunicated Unitarian whose "alternative spiritual practice" includes publicly exposing and denouncing Unitarian*Universalist injustices, abuses, and hypocrisy. The Emerson Avenger blog will serve that purpose for me and hopefully others will share their concerns here. Dee Miller's term DIM Thinking is used frequently and appropriately on this blog. You may read more about what DIM Thinking is here - http://www.takecourage.org/defining.htm

Tuesday, October 31, 2006

Nazi Unit-Aryans? Was The Post-WWII German Unitarian Community Subverted By Convicted Nazi War Criminals As Alleged By German Anti-Fascist Groups?

This is a question that I have posed to U*Us since I first heard about alleged Nazi infiltration and subversion of the German Unitarian religious community when a German Unitarian visiting Montreal complained about how Nazi (his word) U*U "Humanists" were making it difficult for him to introduce a more spiritual approach to Unitarian worship in the German Unitarian religious community. So far. . . I have not received any even remotely satisfactory answers to my questions and U*Us have much preferred to cover-up and deny, via Unitarian church censorship and suppression by "memory holing" these disturbing allegations made by German anti-racist and anti-fascist groups that the post WWII German Unitarian religious community served as a camouflage front group for White Supremacist Nazi ideologues, some of whome were SS officers and convicted war criminals.

For now I am just posting some archived material. It appears that all of the threads relating to the subject of alleged Nazi ideologues allegedly subverting the German Unitarian religious community on Beliefnet have been completely purged by U*U "memory hole" operators who set themselves up as U*U "hosts" on Beliefnet. . . Fortunately I have everything archived somewhere and DIM Thinking U*U "memory hole" operators were not able to "memory hole" posts that were made elsewhere on the internet such as in the alt-uu section of Google groups. . .

From: Robin Edgar - view profile
Date: Thurs, Jan 30 2003 1:40 pm
Email: robin_ed...@altavista.com (Robin Edgar)
Groups: alt.religion.unitarian-univ

Did Nazi ideologues, some of whom were "incriminated" "internees" following WWII, subvert the German Unitarian religious community from the late 1940's up to the late 1980's? Were there Nazi Unitarians even during in the 1930's?

This post that I made in another UU forum updates the German Unit-Aryans issue -

> Dietrich Bonhoeffer and other evangelical leaders were ultimately killed by
> Hitler for their unwillingness to rubber stamp his attacks on the
Jews.

> Tip

Dare I raise the issue of apparently "sound" and well documented allegations made by German anti-fascist groups that the German Unitarian community was subverted by Nazi ideologues following WWII?

I raised this issue some months ago on ICUU-L and my posts about these allegations were promptly censored and suppressed. It soon became obvious that it was "verboten" to discuss these allegations on ICUU-L which, needless to say, did nothing to inspire confidence in me that these disturbing allegations are largely spurious...

It would seem that my persistent raising of this disturbing issue in ICUU-L and other UUA lists, which led to being banned for weeks and even months, actually resulted in the Deutsche Unitarier Religionsgemeinschaft issuing a statement on their web site as I suggested they should do in some of my posts. I just found it minutes ago after running a Google search on German Unitarian Nazi.

http://www.unitarier.de/statement.html

Ironically if one reads this statement it admits that Nazis whose "degree of being incriminated was superior to a certain level" did in fact join the Deutsche Unitarier Religionsgemeinschaft following their release from Allied internment camps and it also makes it clear that some of them later left the DUR in the 1970's and 1980's and "founded divergent associations" as is alleged by the anti-fascist activists...

It is not mentioned in this dubious denial that at least one of these "divergent associations" chose to continue to call themselves Unitarians. The German word for Unitarian is "Unitarier". The German word for Aryan is Arier, thus Unitarier could readily be read by Nazi ideologues as "United Aryans". quite convenient if you did want to form a camouflage neo-Nazi group.

The DUR statement, which looks like a typical "non-denial denial" to me, says that "Among those who came then to the D.U. for instance, the internees again were a minority." This in no way means that this minority of "incriminated" Nazis did not have influential leadership positions within the DUR (as alleged by German anti-fascist groups in fact they claim that the DUR was initially founded by Nazi ideologues in the late forties or early fifties) nor does it in any way follow that the majority of non-internee German "Unitarier" did not share the Nazi ideology of the actual incriminated internees and were not effectively their "followers".

This non-denial denial concludes by saying "Today, this aspect (of the 1930ies and 1940ies) within our 125 years old history is passed." I find this interesting because it actually suggests that there were Nazi Unit-Aryans (as it were) prior to WWII. It ignores the fact that post WWII "this aspect" actually extended from the late 1940's or early 1950's right up until the late 1980's if not later. If "this aspect" of the DUR has in fact ended it only ended quite recently. Personally I believe that "this aspect" of the German Unitarian religious community should be responsibly looked into by UUs today and international Unitarians should take steps to ensutre that any Nazi influence within the DUR is in fact a thing of the past even if only the comparatively recent past.

For more information about these allegations run a Google search using pertinent key words. There is minimal English language information available but German language anti-fascist sites can be reasonably accurately translated using Altavista's Babel Fish translator or similar online translation programs. A search on Unitarier and Nazi will find most of the German language web sites.

Reply from gkshenaut removed to avoid censorship due to copyright issues etc.

Click here to read the full thread on this subject on Google Groups.

Robin Edgar wrote (30 Jan 2003 10:40:15 -0800):

Reply

3 From: Robin Edgar - view profile
Date: Fri, Jan 31 2003 12:16 am
Email: robin_ed...@altavista.com (Robin Edgar)
Groups: alt.religion.unitarian-univ

Your point is well taken however my point remains very valid. I expect most Germans fully understand the meaning of the Latin root "Unit" and "Arier" is the German word for Aryan. The fact of the matter is that the German anti-fascist groups refer to alleged Nazi Unitarians as "Unit-Arier" on some of their web sites. Run a Google search on the term unit-arier and you will see what I mean.

BTW I am not making these allegations I am only reporting allegations that already exist on the internet and which were first brought to my attention by a German Unitarian. I am not in a position to verify these disturbing allegations but I must say that these appear to be quite well researched and at least founded on some core verifiable truths. The denials of the Deutsche Unitarier Religionsgemeinschaft are not very convincing. The attempts by the ICUU and UUA to censor and suppress my sharing of my concerns about these allegations about Nazi Unit-Aryans on ICUU-L and other UUA lists such as antiracist-l tend to indicate that there may be rather more truth to these disturbing allegations about post-WWII subversion of the German Unitarian community by Nazi ideologues than UU leaders would care to
admit.

Reply deleted to avoid censorship arising from copyright issues etc.

Reply

5 From: Robin Edgar - view profile
Date: Fri, Jan 31 2003 5:24 pm
Email: robin_ed...@altavista.com (Robin Edgar)
Groups: alt.religion.unitarian-univ

The whole point is that these alleged Nazi Unitarians were prominent and influential members of the post-WWII German Unitarian community from about 1950 to the late 1980's if not well into the 1990's. Most if not all of those German Unitarians named in these allegations are now dead. Ironically the rather dubious official DUR denials actually indicate that there may well have been Nazi German Unitarians even in the 1930's and during WWII.

My German is limited but I took two semesters worth of German courses in college so with the BabelFish translator informed by my basic knowledge of German I can get a pretty firm grasp on the German language allegations. They are not flattering and they look pretty well researchedc and documented and quite plausible. At one point in my sharing of my concerns about these allegations on ICUU-L one German Unitarian said that the allegations about Nazi German were "absolutely not true". I followed up by asking if the specific allegations about individual named German Unitarian leaders who were alleged to be former SS members etc. were "absolutely not true". There was no response at all to my pointed questions and then the "moderator" of
the list moved to suppress the whole subject by calling for an end to any and all discussion of these allegations. This is all well-documented. You can join ICUU-L and download the whole list archives. Run a search on appropriate key words and phrases within the file and you will see not only the specific allegations but how UUs responded to censor and suppress them when I shared my legitimate concerns about them on ICUU-L...

This thread will evolve over time. . .

6 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

My UU minister in Urbana, IL (now minister in the Monterey Penninsula UU Church in CA), named Axel Germann just got his PhD in Ministry recently. He grew up in Germany and is a third generation Unitarian minister. His thesis is (I believe) on what it was like for his grandfather, Dietrich Germann, to be the minister of a Unitarian Church in Germany, as it filled up with Nazi officers during WWII, the ethical dilemma of serving in a Unitarian Church full of Nazis, even as some Unitarians were being jailed for speaking out against the Nazis. Not only were these Germans Nazi officers, flooding the Unitarian churches, but they were SS.

After the war, many of these officers were incarcerated by the Soviets for up to ten years after the war. After they were released, these former SS officers came back to the Unitarian churches in Germany and were active Unitarians and an important presence until they died off in significant numbers by the 1990s.

- Jim Sechrest

Friday, June 09, 2017 4:34:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


The Ambiguity of Evil: Liberal Religion and the Third Reich Paperback – November 27, 2012
by Axel H. Gehrmann (Author)

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Friday, June 09, 2017 4:55:00 pm  
Blogger Robin Edgar said...

Thanks for that additional information Jim. I will look into it further. I find it hilariously ironic that recently resigned, and even more recently deceased UUA Moderator Jim Key and the UUA Board of Trustees have decided that Unitarian Universalism is now a White Supremacist group as it were. LOL!

Saturday, June 10, 2017 11:26:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Unitarian Universalists at the national level, the UUA staff and anti-racism groups are completely lost. If they say that White UUs are White Supremecists, what will they call the KKK? They didn't think that they thought that one out. I just got called a White Supremecist today by Jon Jeter, former reporter for the Washington Post, because I disagreed with his statement that Union troops joined Confederate troops in the killing of black troops at The Battle of the Crater, Seige of Petersburg, in the Civil War. Never happened.
He won't post a source. He went on to say that it proved that white liberals were horrendously aggressive against blacks.

He's black. I told him that what we need is black people who can think critically. He responded with a self analysis of how he said nasty things to a woman one time after his friend splapped her, but he later apologized. The connection was that inside, he never thought that he was hurtful until he thought about it. His actual point was, I think, that I was lashing out at him, because of my deep seated unconscious aggression. I told him to check his own deep seated unconscious aggression.

Wherever the UUA staff got their poor quality anti-racism programming, Mr. Jeter got his from the same place. It comes from outside of UUism. In the history of the UUA, since their Journey to Wholeness effort in the mid nineties, you can compare their anti-racism programming results to those of their Gay and Lesbian Welcoming Congregation program to see how little their success has been, and how damaging that anti-racism programming has been to UUism.

They used their anti-racism programming to wipe out the national level of both the youth and young adult programming, although vestiges remain. The used it to get rid of about 40 independent affiliate organizations, including our UU campus ministry building in Urbana, IL, at the University of Illinois, which has a group of about 20 regularly attending UU students (out of about 60 on campus), a vegetarian restaurant from the hippy days on campus, and many cultural programs in the arts and literature for the community.

They are using it to take over the individual UU churches, which we used to think of as independent entities. A UU church in Atlanta just passed a resolution to view everything they do through the "lens of anti-racism". Guess they will have to stop telling the IRS that they are a church on their tax forms, but I'm sure that they can qualify as a tax free religious organization. But, the IRS actually has rules about what a church is and an anti-racism program is not a church. By definition. By the IRS.

The new UUA anti-racism curriculum, "A Turning Point", meaning turning to an anti-racism mindset, is advertised as being against the traditional individualism, and anti-authoritarianism in UU churches. Basically a call for just doing what you are told and not thinking for yourself, from the UUA, to the individual churches. It goes along with their power play over the churches using anti-racism as the can opener.

So, I call the UUA's anti-racism programming the Journey To Chaos.

This "White Supremecist" theme that has gotten a few of the top leaders of the UUA to resign, for hiring a white guy over a Hispanic woman, just proves my Journey To Chaos point. It is just a big power play, mostly by white UUA staff over the UU churches and national groups.


Jim Sechrest

Saturday, June 24, 2017 1:31:00 am  
Blogger Robin Edgar said...

Thanks for your comment Jim, I think you make some valid points in it, and certainly raise some legitimate questions that need answering, I may copy and paste this comment into a new blog post to give it more prominence.

Saturday, June 24, 2017 11:34:00 am  
Blogger Devilhead said...

Jim's comment is amazing. Nice to hear a response from someone who sees so clearly.

Tuesday, June 27, 2017 1:18:00 am  

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