The Emerson Avenger

The Emerson Avenger is a "memory hole" free blog where censorship is scorned. This blog will "guard the right to know" about any injustices and abuses that corrupt Unitarian Universalism. Posters may speak and argue freely, according to conscience, about any injustices and abuses, or indeed hypocrisy, that they may know about so that the Avenger, in the form of justice and redress, may come surely and swiftly. . . "Slowly, slowly the Avenger comes, but comes surely." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

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In 1992 I underwent a profound revelatory experience of God which revealed that the total solar eclipse "Eye of God" is a "Sign in the Heavens" that symbolizes God's divine omniscience. You may read about what Rev. Ray Drennan of the Unitarian Church of Montreal contemptuously dismissed as my "psychotic experience" here: http://revelationisnotsealed.homestead.com - This revelatory religious experience inspired me to propose an inter-religious celebration of Creation that would take place whenever a total solar eclipse took place over our planet. You may read about what Rev. Ray Drennan and other leading members of the Unitarian Church of Montreal falsely and maliciously labeled as a "cult" here: http://creationday.homestead.com - I am now an excommunicated Unitarian whose "alternative spiritual practice" includes publicly exposing and denouncing Unitarian*Universalist injustices, abuses, and hypocrisy. The Emerson Avenger blog will serve that purpose for me and hopefully others will share their concerns here. Dee Miller's term DIM Thinking is used frequently and appropriately on this blog. You may read more about what DIM Thinking is here - http://www.takecourage.org/defining.htm

Thursday, June 05, 2008

Montreal Unitarian*Universalist U*Us Are Full Of Shit. . .

It is always gratifying to receive validation for my ongoing protest against U*U injustices, abuses and hypocrisy in front of the Unitarian Church of Montreal from members of the Montreal public. A couple of Sundays ago, as I was protesting, a passer-by stopped and informed me that she had stopped attending the Unitarian Church of Montreal about three months previously. When I asked her why she had stopped going to the Unitarian Church of Montreal her blunt response was, "Because they're full of shit." I thought this was quite funny since about five minutes earlier I had told another person leaving the Unitarian Church that Rev. Ray Drennan and other intolerant and abusive Montreal Unitarians were "full of shit" when they falsely and maliciously labeled Creation Day as a "cult". When I asked this young woman why Montreal Unitarians were "full of shit" she made it clear that it was because they did not practice what they preach. When I asked her about what had happened to convince her of this she responded that she had been subjected to bigotry and that when she complained about the bigotry her complaint was not only dismissed out of hand but that she was treated as "a troublemaker" and a "bitch" for having complained about the bigotry. I told her that I had been subjected to similar treatment for complaining about anti-religious intolerance and bigotry on the part of Rev. Ray Drennan and other leading members of the Unitarian Church of Montreal.

In that this young woman was what Unitarians would call a "person of color" I assumed that the bigotry that she had been subjected to was discrimination and harassment based on her race but she did not specify this at the time and I was quite aware that she might well have been subjected to other forms of bigotry including anti-religious bigotry. She asked me if I knew "Brian" and I responded by asking, "Which one?" She said that "Brian", the choir director, was "the biggest bigot" that she had ever met. She did not provide details of his alleged bigotry but it was clear that she had complained about Brian's bigotry and had not received a satisfactory response to her complaint from the Unitarian Church of Montreal. Au contraire, like me, she had been treated as a "troublemaker" and ostracized by Montreal Unitarians for complaining about the bigotry that she had been subjected to. I empathized and told her that my protest was as a result of very similar mistreatment by Montreal Unitarians aka Montreal U*Us.

This Monday evening, as I was protesting in front of the Unitarian Church of Montreal when it held its annual general meeting, this young woman passed by the UCM once again and said hello as she passed. I asked her if she minded if I blogged about the bigotry and related mistreatment that she had been subjected to by Montreal Unitarians on The Emerson Avenger blog and she gave me her assent. I asked her more questions about what had happened and it quickly became clear that the bigotry that she had been subjected to was indeed of the racist variety. According to her testimony Brian Brice, the direct of the Unitarian Church of Montreal's Carmina Choir had repeatedly humiliated her, sometimes in front of the whole choir. She did not want to go into too much detail about his racist comments but she did mention that on one occasion he had said, "You know how you blacks are."

This young woman said that when she had complained about Brian Brice's behaviour to Frank (presumably Frank Greene) that he had pretended that he could not do anything because he did not know if Brian Brice had said what she accused him of saying. This is typical of how Montreal Unitarians, and U*Us more generally, respond to complaints about misconduct of various kinds. They get all politically correct and pretend that their hands are tied because they don't really know what happened and then they very quickly turn on the person complaining about the misconduct and treat them like a "troublemaker". . . I told this young woman that I would make a point of protesting this Saturday evening when the Carmina Choir holds its annual public concert and that the word 'bigotry' would appear prominently one one of my picket signs. I might add that this is but one of the ways that Montreal Unitarian*Universalist U*Us, to say nothing of Unitarian*Universalist U*Us rather more generally, are "full of shit" and that I will be addressing the various other ways that U*Us are "full of shit" in future Emerson Avenger blog posts.

Oh. . . I almost forgot to mention that during my second conversation with her last Monday evening this young woman made it very clear that, quite apart from the racist bigotry that she had been subjected to by Brian Brice, she had been made to feel far from welcome at this alleged "Welcoming Congregation" by the cold-shoulder that most of its members had shown her. She said that in the whole time that she had attended the Unitarian Church of Montreal only a small handful of members had taken the time to speak with her and that most of them ignored her. This sounds typical not only of the Unitarian Church of Montreal but rather too many other "corpse-cold" Unitarian churches.

This reminds me of a "joke" that some members of the Lakeshore Unitarian Universalist Congregation had made up about the Unitarian Church of Montreal years ago that was no doubt based on their own similar experiences of stand-offish "corpse-cold" Montreal Unitarians who had given them the corpse-cold Unitarian shoulder when they had visited this alleged "Welcoming Congregation" from time to time. The sardonic "joke" is that, "The green mugs are (there) to tell them (i.e. Montreal Unitarians) who *not* to talk to. . ." Needless to say, the Unitarian Church of Montreal requests that newcomers and visitors use special green mugs during the coffee hour that follows Sunday services so that church members may identify who the newcomers and visitors are. Obviously the idea is that Montreal Unitarians will make a point of being extra welcoming to newcomers and visitors but, equally obviously. . . that was not the actual experience of West Island Unitarian*Universalists who visited the Unitarian Church of Montreal on occasion.

I might add that this young woman described Montreal Unitarians as "snobs" several times during our conversation on Monday and that this "name-calling" was clearly based on her own personal experience of a condescending and snobbish attitude on the part of many of the Montreal Unitarians she encountered while attending the Unitarian Church of Montreal. Not only was this young woman subjected to racist comments and related discrimination and harassment that were tolerated, and at least tacitly condoned, by Montreal Unitarians, but she was subjected to the all too typical elitism and classism that Unitarian*Universalists are all too famous for throughout the so-called U*U World. Need I point out that this all took place on Rev. Diane Rollert's watch?

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3 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not a member of the Unitarian church. But I know Brian Brice and he's not at all like what you said about him. I also asked about the story of the young woman you mentioned in your blog. The lady who witnessed and told me what really happened is also black and also from the choir; so you cannot claim any discrimination here! That young woman had a problem and was a liar! Brian had never made any racist comment. I've known him for more than one year and he's one of the most down-to-earth people I've ever met.
I can't care less about what kind of problem you've had with the church since I'm not its member. Even if I did care, I would not make any comment until I really know the truth.
But you do have a serious problem! You only listened to her side of the story. How could you be sure that she's trueful? Just to have someone on your side, you just destroyed the reputation of someone else who you don't even know without giving a damn if it's the truth. I don't know if the church is full of shit; maybe or maybe not. But clearly you're the very first one who's full of shit!!
I'm asian by the way.

Wednesday, December 04, 2013 9:33:00 pm  
Blogger Robin Edgar said...

I am far from "full of shit" in this blog post. It is a truthful and accurate account of a conversation that actually happened outside the Unitarian Church of Montreal. They only way I can possibly get the "other side of the story" would be to talk to Brian Brice himself, but I do not even know what he looks like. This young woman's story sounded "true enough" to me so I recounted it here. You are the first person ever to have challenged her story.

It is funny how you accuse me of having "a serious problem!" because I "only listened to her side of the story" when the blog post makes it quite clear that I do not know Brian Brice and therefore cannot easily listen to his side of the story. I guess the vast majority of Montreal Unitarians, including Rev. Diane Rollert... have the same "serious problem!" because they obstinately refuse to responsibly listen to my side of the story as part of what U*Us would call a free and responsible search for Truth and meaning. No they are all too happy to swallow all the bullshit that the leadership of the Unitarian Church of Montreal feeds them, and that is just one of the ways that Montreal Unitarians are "full of shit". . .

How can you be so sure that Brian Brice has "never made any racist comment" when, according to your own comment here, you've "known him for more than one year"? This blog posts is about something that happened over five years ago. How can *you* be sure that the lady who allegedly "witnessed" and told you "what really happened" is being truthful? Why is it that you refrain from stating "what really happened" if you believe that you know "what really happened" based on testimony from a claimed witness. I might add that this woman seemed to be speaking about a pattern of behavior, not just one incident, and her description aligned all too well with the kind of intolerant and abusive behavior that I have personally experienced myself. So I had plenty of good reason to believe what she was saying to me.

I did not write this blog post "just to have someone on (my) side". I already have plenty of people on my side. I wrote it because of the fact that this young woman described Montreal Unitarians as being "full of shit", an opinion that I concur with based on my own experience of Montreal Unitarians being "full of shit" in numerous ways for almost two decades now. . .

No I have not "destroyed the reputation of someone else who (I) don't even know without giving a damn if it's the truth" because I doubt very much that this blog post has actually ruined Brian Brice's reputation and I have reasonable grounds to believe that the young woman was in fact telling the truth based upon how her claimed experience aligned so well with what I have actually experienced from Montreal Unitarians time and time again. This blog post is not just about the bigotry that this woman claims she was subjected to by Brian Brice but about the fact that when she complained about Brian's bigotry she did not receive a satisfactory response to her complaint from the Unitarian Church of Montreal.

As per the blog post. . .

Au contraire, like me, she had been treated as a "troublemaker" and ostracized by Montreal Unitarians for complaining about the bigotry that she had been subjected to. I empathized and told her that my protest was as a result of very similar mistreatment by Montreal Unitarians aka Montreal U*Us.

Since you "don't know if the church is full of shit; maybe or maybe not", I can't think of a better day than the 4th day of Chalica 2013 to initiate a free and genuinely responsible search for the Truth about just how "full of shit" the Unitarian Church of Montreal really is. . .

Thursday, December 05, 2013 7:18:00 am  
Blogger Robin Edgar said...

I am far from "full of shit" in this blog post. It is a truthful and accurate account of a conversation that actually happened outside the Unitarian Church of Montreal. They only way I can possibly get the "other side of the story" would be to talk to Brian Brice himself, but I do not even know what he looks like. This young woman's story sounded "true enough" to me so I recounted it here. You are the first person ever to have challenged her story.

It is funny how you accuse me of having "a serious problem!" because I "only listened to her side of the story" when the blog post makes it quite clear that I do not know Brian Brice and therefore cannot easily listen to his side of the story. I guess the vast majority of Montreal Unitarians, including Rev. Diane Rollert... have the same "serious problem!" because they obstinately refuse to responsibly listen to my side of the story as part of what U*Us would call a free and responsible search for Truth and meaning. No they are all too happy to swallow all the bullshit that the leadership of the Unitarian Church of Montreal feeds them, and that is just one of the ways that Montreal Unitarians are "full of shit". . .

How can you be so sure that Brian Brice has "never made any racist comment" when, according to your own comment here, you've "known him for more than one year"? This blog posts is about something that happened over five years ago. How can *you* be sure that the lady who allegedly "witnessed" and told you "what really happened" is being truthful? Why is it that you refrain from stating "what really happened" if you believe that you know "what really happened" based on testimony from a claimed witness. I might add that this woman seemed to be speaking about a pattern of behavior, not just one incident, and her description aligned all too well with the kind of intolerant and abusive behavior that I have personally experienced myself. So I had plenty of good reason to believe what she was saying to me.

I did not write this blog post "just to have someone on (my) side". I already have plenty of people on my side. I wrote it because of the fact that this young woman described Montreal Unitarians as being "full of shit", an opinion that I concur with based on my own experience of Montreal Unitarians being "full of shit" in numerous ways for almost two decades now. . .

No I have not "destroyed the reputation of someone else who (I) don't even know without giving a damn if it's the truth" because I doubt very much that this blog post has actually ruined Brian Brice's reputation and I have reasonable grounds to believe that the young woman was in fact telling the truth based upon how her claimed experience aligned so well with what I have actually experienced from Montreal Unitarians time and time again. This blog post is not just about the bigotry that this woman claims she was subjected to by Brian Brice but about the fact that when she complained about Brian's bigotry she did not receive a satisfactory response to her complaint from the Unitarian Church of Montreal.

As per the blog post. . .

Au contraire, like me, she had been treated as a "troublemaker" and ostracized by Montreal Unitarians for complaining about the bigotry that she had been subjected to. I empathized and told her that my protest was as a result of very similar mistreatment by Montreal Unitarians aka Montreal U*Us.

Since you "don't know if the church is full of shit; maybe or maybe not", I can't think of a better day than the 4th day of Chalica 2013 to initiate a free and genuinely responsible search for the Truth about just how "full of shit" the Unitarian Church of Montreal really is. . .

Thursday, December 05, 2013 7:18:00 am  

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