Tracie Holladay aka Tracie The Red Self-Professed *Crazy* Central Florida RedHead
Seems to be having a bad hair day today. . .
I became aware of Tracie Holladay's remarkably DIM Thinking blog post as a result of a Google Alert for -
unitarian misconduct
I received this morning, but crazy Tracie's Big Fat U*U Rant had already been self-censored aka "memory holed" when I first had a peek at her 'On Holladay' blog earlier today. Since I had only seen a snippet of her rant, as provided by Google Alerts and an appropriate follow-up Google search, I decided to post the following comment to her 'I've About Had It...' blog post -
Guess what Tracie? I've had it with the anti-religious sentiment that I keep running into all over the place in the Unitarian*Universalist "religious community". . . In fact, it is the deeply insulting, and even outright hostile and abusive anti-religious intolerance and bigotry that I encountered at the Unitarian Church of Montreal, and elsewhere in the so-called U*U World, that is the proverbial "root cause" of The Emerson Avenger blog. I am in fact a victim of anti-religious intolerance and bigotry that was directly perpetrated by Rev. Ray Drennan and other leading "resident atheists" at this alleged Unitarian "church", such as its former Presidents Frank Greene and John Inder, and perpetuated for years and decades by their DIM Thinking enablers at the Unitarian Church of Montreal and the UUA. Everything is very well documented Tracie and many if not most of the documents are available online so that you and other people can enter into a free and *responsible* search for the truth and meaning of my clergy misconduct complaint against Rev. Ray Drennan and my grievances against the so-called Unitarian Church of Montreal, the UUA, and its very aptly named Ministerial *Fellowship* Committee.
The fact of the matter is that I have been subjected to anti-religious intolerance and bigotry that can be properly described as a witch-hunt. Labeling a person's claimed revelatory religious experience as a "psychotic experience" and angrily insisting that they seek "professional help" is the modern equivalent of saying that someone is possessed and in need of an exorcism. Falsely and maliciously labeling a person's religious activities as a "cult" is the modern equivalent of saying that someone is involved in a coven of witches. Both of these labels cast a cloud of suspicion and fear (if not community paranoia. . .) over the person who is being thus accused. Am I wrong Tracey? The fact of the matter is that my clergy misconduct complained against Rev. Ray Drennan was an attempt to nip that U*U slander and fear-mongering in the bud before it got any worse, but because both the Unitarian Church of Montreal and the UUA pretended that Rev. Ray Drennan's intolerant and abusive attack on me was acceptable, even "within the appropriate guidelines of ministerial leadership" to quote fotmer MFC Director Rev. Diane Miller who (mis)handled my complaint against Rev. Ray Drennan, this anti-religious U*U fear-mongering and paranoia has continued to this very day. . .
end quote
That is all for now but I may directly and quite thoroughly rebutt Drama Queen Tracie's overly dramatic 'Blog Drama' post later.
I became aware of Tracie Holladay's remarkably DIM Thinking blog post as a result of a Google Alert for -
unitarian misconduct
I received this morning, but crazy Tracie's Big Fat U*U Rant had already been self-censored aka "memory holed" when I first had a peek at her 'On Holladay' blog earlier today. Since I had only seen a snippet of her rant, as provided by Google Alerts and an appropriate follow-up Google search, I decided to post the following comment to her 'I've About Had It...' blog post -
Guess what Tracie? I've had it with the anti-religious sentiment that I keep running into all over the place in the Unitarian*Universalist "religious community". . . In fact, it is the deeply insulting, and even outright hostile and abusive anti-religious intolerance and bigotry that I encountered at the Unitarian Church of Montreal, and elsewhere in the so-called U*U World, that is the proverbial "root cause" of The Emerson Avenger blog. I am in fact a victim of anti-religious intolerance and bigotry that was directly perpetrated by Rev. Ray Drennan and other leading "resident atheists" at this alleged Unitarian "church", such as its former Presidents Frank Greene and John Inder, and perpetuated for years and decades by their DIM Thinking enablers at the Unitarian Church of Montreal and the UUA. Everything is very well documented Tracie and many if not most of the documents are available online so that you and other people can enter into a free and *responsible* search for the truth and meaning of my clergy misconduct complaint against Rev. Ray Drennan and my grievances against the so-called Unitarian Church of Montreal, the UUA, and its very aptly named Ministerial *Fellowship* Committee.
The fact of the matter is that I have been subjected to anti-religious intolerance and bigotry that can be properly described as a witch-hunt. Labeling a person's claimed revelatory religious experience as a "psychotic experience" and angrily insisting that they seek "professional help" is the modern equivalent of saying that someone is possessed and in need of an exorcism. Falsely and maliciously labeling a person's religious activities as a "cult" is the modern equivalent of saying that someone is involved in a coven of witches. Both of these labels cast a cloud of suspicion and fear (if not community paranoia. . .) over the person who is being thus accused. Am I wrong Tracey? The fact of the matter is that my clergy misconduct complained against Rev. Ray Drennan was an attempt to nip that U*U slander and fear-mongering in the bud before it got any worse, but because both the Unitarian Church of Montreal and the UUA pretended that Rev. Ray Drennan's intolerant and abusive attack on me was acceptable, even "within the appropriate guidelines of ministerial leadership" to quote fotmer MFC Director Rev. Diane Miller who (mis)handled my complaint against Rev. Ray Drennan, this anti-religious U*U fear-mongering and paranoia has continued to this very day. . .
end quote
That is all for now but I may directly and quite thoroughly rebutt Drama Queen Tracie's overly dramatic 'Blog Drama' post later.
Comments
Once again, no one is under any obligation to like you, to kiss your ass, or to be bullied by you - and victims are very good at using their vicitm status to bully people, as you do.
I'm sorry for swearing at you, Robin; that was out of line for me. It is uncool to use such language.
I still strongly disagree - totally and 110%, to make it absolutely clear - with the entire existence of this Emerson Avenger blog.
And it's like I said on my post - people need to stop expecting clergy to be perfect. They aren't. They never have been.
It's like when some of the Anglicans whine about the fact that New Hampshire elected an openly gay bishop several years ago. Some people say "he's a sinner! He lives in sin with his partner! He fornicates! He is performing sexual acts outside of marriage!" Well, there are 2 problems with that.
First of all, I think he and his partner have since tied the knot. So the marriage question is dealt with.
Second, if church members (of any stripe) waited for so long as to find a minister or bishop or whatever that was totally sin-free, they'd be waiting until the second coming of Jesus, because *there is no such thing as a sin-free person!*
Christ Almighty, why can people not comprehend this?!
Your problem is this: you are allowing Drennan to define the entire denomination of UU for you. You refuse to even begin to acknowledge that some people have even tried to reason with you and you CHOOSE to be unreasonable.
That's no one's fault but your own, Robin. That's is your free choice. Don't blame anyone else for it. I've already seen the exchange between you and Joel Monka, and I just shake my head at how stubborn you are. It's all I can do.
I'm not on your side and I never will be. At least I'm honest about it.
He wasn't. I don't know if he makes such crappy-ass comments about "psychotic experiences" on a regular basis, but so what if he does? He has a right to be a jackass if he wants to be, doesn't he?
Guess what?! It says more about HIM than it does YOU, that he would even consider uttering such drivel.
Just wanted to make that clear.
Now - let's see how many of my notes you delete.
If you're so open-minded, then you'll give my statements a serious listen, because Divinity knows that you would NEVER treat a person the way YOU were treated, would you?
Besides, I just realized soemthign: you're a Canadian. You're supposed to be a lot nicer than us Americans. Let's see how nice you are to me.
The "niceness" of Canadians is true up to a point Tracie, but you seem to forget that when Canadians finally do feel the need to fight they fight to win. . . I may or may not be nice to you because, as I have said before, I long ago adopted a policy of returning abuse for abuse when belligerent U*Us attack me or other people and you have clearly abusively attacked me. My current policy is -
Do unto U*Us as U*Us do unto others
which is precisely why I will in fact treat U*Us they way that they have treated me and other people. What do you think my U*U World-famous "Eat Your Words" Diet is all about Tracie? So please don't be surprised if you find yourself chowing down on your own words over the next little while. I do not have time to thoroughly rebutt your DIM Thinking blog post and DIM Thinking comments here right now but, since you have challenged me to do so, and since I think that it may be a worthwhile exercise to publicly demonstrate just how full of U*U shit your blog post and comments are, I will probably get around to it over the weekend.
:Yay! I got attacked by the great Robin Edgar! I generated a response from you! HUZZAH!
Isn't that what you wanted and expected when you publicly attacked me with virtually no provocation on my part Tracie? You sound like a some idiotic Japanese general saying "I got attacked by the great U.S. of A! I generated a response from America! HUZZAH!" in the months following Pearl Harbor. . . Not that your idiotic blog post did as much damage to me as Pearl Harbor did to the U.S.A. Or, come to think of it, maybe you sound like Osama bin Laden at Tora Bora. . .
:No, I'm not here to kiss your ass, as you think the world should do.
Oh really Tracie? Where do you get the impression that I think the world should kiss my ass? If anything it is outrageously hypocritical U*Us who think I should kiss their U*U asses after they have verbally defecated all over me. . . The "kiss my ass" attitude of U*Us is very well documented.
:Fuck off, Edgar. Get over yourself.
In case you had't noticed yet this blog is not just about me. It is about quite a few other people who hypocritical and abusive U*Us have shit all over Tracie.
:Oh, and I've been reading your blog for YEARS and I have already seen your posts and all this talk about Rev. Drennan and whatnot, and whether you like it or not, I think you're just plain nuts for brooding over this for 18 years now. Just. Plain. Nuts.
I am not "brooding" over anything Tracie. I am simply steadfastly holding my own against egregious institutional stonewalling and denial on the part of U*Us as well as exposing and denouncing new U*U injustices and abuses that come to my attention. It is U*Us who are responsible for the fact that this conflict has been dragged out for over a decade, not me. U*Us have repeatedly kept this vconflict alive by not only obstinately refusing to practice justice, equity and compassion in their human relations with me but by actively aggravating and escalating the conflict by unjustly punishing me for seeking justice. Do U*Us *really* expect me to "let go" and "move on" when they repeatedly do stupid and harmful things that keep this conflict alive?
BTW You are Just. Plain. Ignorant. if you believe this conflict has been going on for eighteen years. Obviously you have not engaged in a free and *responsible* search for the truth and meaning of this conflict. Like many U*Us you are very free with the Truth but far from responsible with it.
Since you seem so intent on victim blaming why don't you go and publicly accuse the First Unitarian*Universalist Church of Nashville Tennessee for "brooding over" clergy sexual misconduct that occurred in the early 1990's, several years before Rev. Ray Drennan attacked me? Why not publicly attack uuggrl for "brooding over" U*U clergy sexual misconduct, and the UUA's ongoing abject failure to respond to her own and other people's clergy sexual misconduct complaints with genuine justice, equity and compassion, on her 'Speaking Truth To Power' blog that the good people at FUUCN saw fit to archive on their brand-spanking new UU Safety Net website?
:Once again, no one is under any obligation to like you, to kiss your ass, or to be bullied by you and victims are very good at using their vicitm status to bully people, as you do.
The only people who I "bully" are people who are either directly responsible for bullying me and other people or U*Us whose words and actions, or lack thereof. . . indirectly enable U*U bullies. It seems to me that you just added yourself to *that* list Tracie.
ROTFLMU*UO! Your "F bombing" me was corpse-cold Unitarian cool Tracie but, quite frankly my dear, I don't give a damn because your DIM Thinking victim blaming is actually far more "uncool" than telling me to "fuck off." Not that outrageously hypocritical U*Us haven't effectively been telling to "fuck off" ever since I filed my perfectly legitimate complaint about Rev. Ray Drennan's "fundamentalist atheist" anti-religious bigotry in February of 1996. I dare say that Rev. Diane Miller's brazen assertion that Rev. Drennan's intolerant and abusive attack on me was "within the appropriate guidelines of ministerial leadership" sounds like a Big Fat U*U Fuck Off to me. . . Likewise Rev. Dr. Tracey Robinson-Harris' idiotic ruling that U*U ministers can cyberbully anyone they care to as long as they does so under the cowardly cover of internet anonymity sounds like a Big Fat U*U Fuck Off to me. Sorry Tracie but *your* pathetic little "fuck off" here is trivial and meaningless compared to the Big Fat U*U Fuck Offs that I have received from "less than perfect" U*U ministers and hypocritical UUA leaders over the years Tracie.
:I still strongly disagree - totally and 110%, to make it absolutely clear - with the entire existence of this Emerson Avenger blog.
Well that says more about you than The Emerson Avenger blog doesn't it Tracie? I still strongly disagree - totally and 110%, to make it absolutely clear - with the entire existence of U*U anti-religious intolerance and bigotry to say nothing of other U*U injustices and abuses, so I guess this "less than polite" blog will remain in existence for a while yet. No?
Classic DIM Thinking Tracie. I do not expect clergy to be perfect but I do quite reasonably expect them to take personal responsibility for their "mistakes" when they make mistakes. I let all kinds of things go and only complain when things get out of hand. Like when Rev. Ray Drennan pathologizedme as "psychotic" and labled Creation Day as a "cult". You have to draw the line *somewhere* Tracie. . . Too bad the Unitarian Church of Montreal and the UUA do not know when to draw the line when a U*U minister steps over the line. They could have saved U*Us a lot of trouble. Come to think of it Tracie. . . *I* strongly disagree - totally and 110%, to make it absolutely clear - with the entire existence of my own Emerson Avenger blog, but most regrettably I feel that it pretty much *had* to come into existence because outrageously hypocritical U*Us obstinately refuse to practice what they preach about justice, equity and compassion in human relations, to say nothing of other U*U principles and ideals. Are you aware that it was U*Us like UU World magazine editor Chris Walton who insisted that I create my own blog because they refused to allow me to submit legitimate critical comments about U*U injustices and abuses to their blogs? Talk about be careful what U*Us ask for lest U*Us get eh Tracie?
:Your problem is this: you are allowing Drennan to define the entire denomination of UU for you.
Wrong Tracie. I am not in fact doing that. I will tell you who is though. . . The Unitarian Church of Montreal and, much more importantly, the UUA leaders at 25 Beacon Street because by irresponsibly allowing Rev. Ray Drennan to get away with "murder" in the form of character assassination and other injustices and abuses *they* are effectively defining the position of the entire denomination. Similarly, when the UUA and its very aptly named Ministerial *Fellowship* Committee rule that cyberbullying U*U ministers can insult and defame people on the internet to their corpse-cold Unitarian heart's content, as long as they do so under the cowardly cover of internet anonymity, *they* are defining the (un)acceptable behavior of abusive U*U clergy for the whole U*U denomination. Right Tracie?
:You refuse to even begin to acknowledge that some people have even tried to reason with you and you CHOOSE to be unreasonable.
Wrong Tracie. I have in fact quite often acknowledged that *some* people have tried to reason with you. I only choose to be unreasonable with those U*Us who have so foolishly chosen the Big Fat U*U Fate of being far from reasonable with me. In any case what was it that George Bernard Shaw said about unreasonable people Tracie? Oh ya. . .
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man."
George Bernard Shaw
Forgive me for being such a progressive. . .
I do not blame others for my own choices Tracie. I blame them for *their* poor choices. Such as Rev. Ray Drennan's chosen fate of falsely and maliciously using a different offensive and abusive "four letter word" than the one you used here today. I blame Rev. Diane Miller for whitewashing Rev. Ray Drennan's anti-religious intolerance and bigotry. I blame Montreal Unitarians for all of the poor choices that *they* have made throughout this conflict. I blame you for what you chose to say today. etc. etc. etc. How do you think are you and other U*U hypocrites look to the general public Tracie? Do tell. . .
:I've already seen the exchange between you and Joel Monka, and I just shake my head at how stubborn you are. It's all I can do.
Maybe you should shake your head at how incredibly stubborn the Unitarian Church of Montreal and the UUA are Tracie. I am just being stubborn in seeking justice. They are being stubborn in delaying and denying justice. . . In fact I would not have to be so stubborn if U*Us decided to genuinely practice what they so hypocritically preach would I Tracie? This conflict *could* have ended years ago if Unitarian*Universalist U*Us had been less stubborn in their outrageous hypocrisy. No? Your rant today hardly helps to resolve the conflict does it Tracie?
:I'm not on your side and I never will be. At least I'm honest about it.
Yes at least you are honest about your own stupidity and hypocrisy Tracie. Just like Rev. Ray Drennan was "just being honest" when he contemptuously labeled my monotheistic religious beliefs as nothing but "silliness and fantasy", sneeringly dismissed my revelatory religious experience as "your psychotic experience" and falsely and maliciously "name-called" Creation Day as "your cult." Ah yes, the honesty of the U*Us. There's nothing quite like it is there Tracie?
:Oh, and don't think that just because I disagree with the existence of this blog, that I'm saying Drennan was "correct."
Well I already told you that *I* would be quite happy if this blog did not need to exist Tracie and, needless to say, I believe that Drennan was far from correct and has yet to be responsibly *corrected* by U*Us. . .
:He wasn't.
What a revelation Tracie!
:I don't know if he makes such crappy-ass comments about "psychotic experiences" on a regular basis, but so what if he does?
I really am not very impressed when people say "so what" Tracie. Especially when U*U hypocrites say "so what" about this, that, or the other U*U injustice, abuse or hypocrisy.
Why don't you refresh your memory as to what the Seven Principles of Unitarian*Universalism are, and maybe browse through the UUMA Guidelines and Code of Professional Practice a bit, and then come back and ask me that stupid question again Tracie. . .
:Guess what?! It says more about HIM than it does YOU, that he would even consider uttering such drivel.
I couldn't agree more Tracie. Likewise it says more about the Unitarian Church of Montreal and the UUA than it does ME, that they would even consider allowing Rev. Ray Drennan to utter such intolerant and abusive drivel, to say nothing of allowing Rev. Victoria Weinstein aka Peacebang to publicly air her Big Fat U*U Sodomy Fantasy, without the slightest accountability. Just wanted to make that clear Tracie, hence the existence of The Emerson Avenger blog. . . But I guess you're right Tracie thanks to the UUA's ongoing negligent, incompetent, and effectively complicit responses to my own and other people's clergy misconduct complaints "less than perfect" U*U Ministers do ahve a right to be complete jackasses if they want to be, and it seems that a good number of idiotic U*U ministers CHOOSE to exercise their UUA given right to be Big Fat U*U JackAsses. . .
:Now - let's see how many of my notes you delete.
See above. . .
It would appear that you CHOSE the Big Fat U*U Fate of exercising your own Goddess given right to be a Big Fat U*U JackAss today. No?
Well done.
WVC = beraten :-)
YEAH! You can say THAT again! In fact, why I don't I do it for you!
It would appear that you CHOSE the Big Fat U*U Fate of exercising your own Goddess given right to be a Big Fat U*U JackAss today.
WOOOHOOO! Go me!
Yes, I am versed in medieval chivalric manners, but I don't always use them, obviously. We DO live in the 21st century, after all.
Thank you for flying Bitchy Airways. We hope your flight this evening has been as pleasant as an unanesthetized colonoscopy, or a visit to a proctologist with poor depth perception. We look forward to irritating the dog snot out of you in the future. Don't forget to fill out the customer service card before diesmbarking.
:Doing good so far, Robin?
Didn't I say "well done" Tracie?
You are doing a wonderful job of being a Big Fat U*U JackAss today, and while I usually don't throw those other "less than flattering" epithets around, I suppose that I could deign to acknowledge that you do seem to be quite willfully CHOOSING to be something of a Bitchy Bitch today. I am sure that Peacebang thoroughly approves but don't take it *too* far Tracie as I expect that Peacebang might think that you are trying to usurp her coveted position as *The* Queen Bitch of the U*U World.
For the broken U*U record the only reason I use "the 'B' Word" to "namecall" Vicki Vicious is because *she* seemed to be quite proud of being known "far and wide" as a bitch. Rev. Victoria Weinstein used "the 'B' Word" to describe herself long before I ever used it to describe her.
But see, ya gotta understand something here: we women use the title "bitch" amongst ourselves and our allies, in very much the same way that black people use "nigga". We claim it. We define it for ourselves. We determine what it does and does not mean for us.
She can be Queen Bitch all she wants.
I'll just be the psycho hose beast bitch from hell.
Hey, everyone's gotta have a hobby. You sure do!
But, alas, that said...believe me, all bitchiness aside, I do know what it is like to be faced with an insulting atheist who has problems with religious belief. I work with one; he's in my department. Just about every day for the past 7 years, I've heard him rant and rave and complain about how much better off mankind would be without religion, how stupid religion makes people, how stupid it is for people to pray to the nonexistent big man in the sky, yada yada...he is very harsh in his criticism of religion. He's an ex-Catholic, so he thinks he knows everything about it.
Even UUs to him are complete idiots for being part of a collective of any kind that gets the word 'religion' attached to it.
I suppose in your thinking, you would complain to HR about him and his nasty attitude towards religion, correct? Problem is - he's the administrative assistant to the HR director. Go figure.
Oh, and believe me - I have issues with most of the 7 Principles. Some of them sound really creepy to me.
PS: I made you laugh!
Kissimmee U*U! :-)
"She can be Queen Bitch all she wants."
I am quite aware of that Tracie. I have it on "less than excellent" good authority from both "retired" Congregational Services Director Rev. Dr. Tracey Robinson-Harris and the recently "laid off" Executive Secretary of the Ministerial *Fellowship* Committee Rev. Beth Miller. . . Of course Rev. Victoria Weinstein can be the Queen Bitch of the U*U World as much as she wants The Emerson Avenger to put her on his "Eat Your Words" Diet. . .
I can say it in Gaelic!
"Póg mo Thóin!"
A little something for St. Patty's Day, coming up next week (for those who observe it; some observe "Irish Heritage Day" instead). Don't forget your green beer!
Now, here's one for you.
:)
Hypocritical U*Us need to shape up before I ever "ship out" aka "move on". . .
I think I have a pretty good hobby myself.
Which is why we Americans are no longer subject to a monarchy but you Canadians are, right?
BWAAAAhahahahahaha!!!
Please.