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Joel Monka's Wild Words Require Some Explaining And Maybe Even An Apology. . . Subtitled The Hazards Of Pathologizing The Emerson Avenger. . .

How deliciously ironic it is that "Conservative" Pagan U*U Joel Monka accused me of "wild words" the other day, without backing up that very public accusation with any evidence whatsoever of my allegedly "wild words", and then has the temerity, aka dim thinking boneheaded stupidity. . . to rather *too* liberally suggest that *I* could use some Risperdal aka Risperidone. Here are the pertinent comments from Joel Monka's 'Hazards of Marijuana' blog post on his very aptly named CU*UM*BOO*YAH blog -


Robin Edgar said...

I don't smoke dope myself. How about you Joel? You do seem to suffer from poor short term memory which is reportedly one negative effect of smoking marijuana.

4:46 PM

Joel Monka said...

No, I don't. Nor do I suffer from short term memory loss. Normally, I'm the last person to advocate drug use,but in your case I'll make an exception- judging from your posts and comments recently, I think you could use Risperdal.

5:23 PM

Chalicechick said...

Ps. Can we knock it off with the ad hominem stuff? You both can argue well enough without it, I've seen it.

6:24 PM

Robin Edgar said...

What?!

No short term memory loss Joel?

You mean you just willfully ignored my "fair warning" aka "shot across the bow" that you would be very well advised to think before you speak when speaking to me or about me from here on in because my patience with you is at an end?

Well at least if you actually were a dope smoker you would have had a half-assed aka lame excuse for failing to heed that fair warning.

Oh well. . .

BTW Since when does obvious over-the-top satire and parody, to say nothing of quite *reasonable* criticism of U*U injustices and abuses, warrant a "prescription" for an anti-psychotic drug Joel? Looks like you just went a bit overboard again. . . What was that I said about the back of my virtual hand Joel?

6:26 PM

Robin Edgar said...

Discussing whether or not a specific person is a dope smoker or not, or is in need of a prescription for an antipsychotic drug like Risperdal for that matter, is *necessarily* ad hominem stuff CC. BTW You can look forward to some ad womynem stuff in the coming days if you don't come back and sign your name to the two comments that you posted here as an Anonymouse U*U. . .

6:43 PM

Robin Edgar said...

I dare say that "killing"* two birdbrains with one well aimed stone is getting to be something of a specialty of mine. . .



* "Killing" as in extremely funny aka hilarious aka a "killing joke" of course.

6:51 PM
Robin Edgar said...

You really should pay a bit more attention to my more than fair warning shots aka shots across the bow Joel, as should ChaliceChick, and any other U*U sailing on the U*U Sea of Hypocrisy. . .

8:02 PM
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Joel Monka said…
It's not really much of an exchange, CC. In the comments he linked to, I tried to argue from cases, and made no direct ad hominem attacks. I even said he had considerable intelligence and talent; I merely thought he was wasting them, and tried to show how, and the consequences. He spent the entire thread insulting me- calling me stupid, boneheaded, dim, a coward, and an illegal drug user with brain damage- and threatened me, to boot. He has posted the calumnies about drug use in other blog comments, and wrote an entire post on his own blog about it. My "exchange"? The single rejoinder above. I'm not ashamed of expressing my exasperation just that once.

Robin, you didn't like my over the top parody satire remark? Well boo-friggin-hoo. Maybe YOU should think about YOUR words before you start insulting people needlessly- if you can't stand the heat, get out of Nagasaki.
Wednesday, February 04, 2009 9:59:00 pm
Robin Edgar said…
Well since we are being ever so "green" and recycling blog comments now Joel have heaping helping of my U*U World famous "Eat-Your-Words Diet" --

Surely you mean Boston Joel. . .

He spent the entire thread insulting me-

:"calling me stupid", because you were being stupid. . .

:"boneheaded", see above. . .

:dim, see above and see this to boot. . .

:"a coward", I had "reasonable grounds for that too Joel.

:"and an illegal drug user with brain damage-" I only suggested that you *might* be a dope user on the basis of your apparent short term memory loss and paranoia. . .

:"and threatened me, to boot."

See above.

:He has posted the calumnies about drug use in other blog comments, and wrote an entire post on his own blog about it.

You mean my satirical Groundhog Day post Joel? Looks like *your* "wild words" just earned yourself a brand-spanking new one. . .

:My "exchange"? The single rejoinder above.

Wrong.

:I'm not ashamed of expressing my exasperation just that once.

No worries Joel. I just got even I think. . .

"Robin, you didn't like my over the top parody satire remark? Well boo-friggin-hoo."

Surely you mean boo-friggin-yah ever so Conservative U*U Joel Monka.

ROTFLMU*UO! :-)

This U*U-U*U-Eh Wrestling sure can be fun! How's your mullet doing Joel?
Wednesday, February 04, 2009 10:59:00 pm
Joel Monka said…
You're having fun? You say you had "reasonable grounds" for what you said? Ok... let's look at *my* reasonable grounds...

Your comments are frequently non-sequitur, your "logic" non linear. You have more alter egos than the Justice League of America, and from their writing, they have separate personalities. Your persecution complex is combined with delusions of grandeur*. You display multiple forms of obsessive/compulsive behavior, and one of your obsessions- with the rectum- demonstrates a personality arrested in the anal-retentive stage.

Clearly, "reasonable grounds" for saying you would benefit from drugs- but I may have been mistaken about Risperdal; it may not be strong enough.

*As to one of your delusions- that of driving thousands from UU- even if true, (a laughable contention), well, I offer you a quote from "Small Favor", by Jim Butcher:
"...It took a freaking genius to put this together, Michael."

I hefted my staff.

"Fortunately," I said, and took a two-handed swing at the nearest strand of slender, delicate crystal. It shattered with gratifying ease, and the encasing light around the greater circle began to waver and dissipate. "It only takes a monkey with a big stick to take it apart."

How's your mullet doing, oh psychotic-monkey-with-a-big-stick?
Thursday, February 05, 2009 9:55:00 am
Joel Monka said…
Cat got your forked tongue, Robin? Some things to consider... as much as you have been hurt by words, you should know not to be so quick to hurt others with words. As you demand we see your point of view, you should be prepared to see ours as well. If you want others to treat you well, you should treat others well yourself.

I'm always up for a polite, on-point, and in depth discussion, but you are always quick to leap to the insult. For a long time, you've been mistaking my normally milder, less confrontational (and demonstrably more effective) methods with cowardice. Don't make that mistake again. As somebody- God knows who- said, "You would be very well advised to think before you speak when speaking to me or about me from here on in because my patience with you is at an end. I do not suffer fools gladly and you have repeatedly said some very foolish things to me or about me. Enough if is enough. You will feel the back of my virtual hand if and when you engage in capital 'D' or small 'd' dim thinking again." Don't risk reaping the whirlwind.
Thursday, February 05, 2009 2:07:00 pm
Robin Edgar said…
:Cat got your forked tongue, Robin?

Wow Joel! That seems like a boneheadedly stupid question to ask just four hours after posting yet another dim thinking aka boneheadedly stupid comment for me to repond to. . . As it happens I simply had other more important priorities, not the least of them being responding to ChaliceChick's most recent boneheadedly stU*Upid comment on the 'Hazards of Marijuana' post of your CU*UM-BOO*YAH blog.

:Don't risk reaping the whirlwind.

Go ahead Joel. Make my day. . .

Show me what you've got. Show me your big fat U*U "whirlwind". . .
Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:08:00 pm
Joel Monka said…
Yep, almost as boneheadedly stupid as your saying those words just seven hours after your previous one- and those hours being overnight. Show you what I've got? I'll start with the worst thing anyone can say to someone like you.
Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:18:00 pm
Robin Edgar said…
As I said Joel.

Go ahead make my day. . .

Show the whole wide U*U World, ton say nothing of the real world, the worst thing anyone can say to someone like me.
Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:24:00 pm
Robin Edgar said…
:Cat got your forked tongue, Robin?

Does it look like the cat has my considerably less than forked tongue Joel? As I said I was busy with other matters and asking if the cat has my tongue four hours after posting a comment that I have not immediately responded to is what *I* call a premature ejaculation Joel.

:Some things to consider... as much as you have been hurt by words, you should know not to be so quick to hurt others with words.

Some things to consider Joel. . . I am not all *that* quick to hurt others with words, and usually only do so to people who have tried to hurt me and/or other people with "harsh words" first. Also I usually do so by telling rather unpleasant truths about them as opposed to slanderous lies as is the wont of the U*Us I know. And. . . that being said, I have told U*Us many times that, as a result of repeated insults, defamation, and other verbal abuse heaped on me by U*Us over the years I am less patient with U*Us and reserve the right to respond to abuse with abuse.

:As you demand we see your point of view, you should be prepared to see ours as well.

Don't worry Joel, I see the points of view of U*Us, I just don't always agree with them or respect them when they seem to be "less than true" and/or "less than respectable".

:If you want others to treat you well, you should treat others well yourself.

Exactly Joel. That is the message that I am sending to U*Us when I return insult for insult, abuse for abuse. . . What do you think my "Eat Your Words Diet" is all about Joel? Why do you think I ask if Rev. Beth Miller and Rev. Dr. Tracey Robinson-Harris are crazy asshats who deserve to be anally impaled on the Statue of Liberty's torch for allowing Peacebang aka Rev. Victoria Weinstein to verbally defecate all over people?

:I'm always up for a polite, on-point, and in depth discussion, but you are always quick to leap to the insult.

Sorry Joel but you are not always up for a polite, on-point, and in depth discussion, and I am far from always quick to leap to the insult. In fact I am quite slow to leap to the insult and usually only get there quite gradually if at all. Once I have arrived at that point however I do not feel any particular need to suddenly leap back to civility if the other party fails or refuses to do so. . .

:For a long time, you've been mistaking my normally milder, less confrontational (and demonstrably more effective) methods with cowardice.

Really Joel? Show me where I have done that.

:Don't make that mistake again.

I am not convinced that it is a "mistake" that I have made even once Joel, but if I suggested that *some* of your behavior is of a "less than brave" nature it is probably because I had proverbial "reasonable grounds" to do so.

:You're having fun?

Indeed I am Joel. Boatloads of fun. As are some of the other people getting more than a few chuckles out of the cheap entertainment that you and other U*Us fall all over yourselves to provide for them. . .

:You say you had "reasonable grounds" for what you said? Ok... let's look at *my* reasonable grounds...

Yes, let's. . .

:Your comments are frequently non-sequitur, your "logic" non linear.

ROTFLMU*UO! No *kidding* Joel. My comments are frequently non-sequitur because I am taking the piss out of U*Us with comical aka humorous and even somewhat unpredictable and even confU*Using satire and parody. Be AssU*Ured that my non-sequitur comments, to say nothing of whole non-sequitur blog posts is quite deliberate and intentional and not the ravings of a *real* "crazy" "psychotic" "nutcase". It's part and parcel of that U*Us asked for it U*Us got it thing Joel. . . Surely you have seen me say -

Be careful what U*Us ask for lest U*Us get it. . .

As far as my logic being non-linear goes I have heard that "fuzzy logic" works quite well. None-the-less my logic is usually very linear, and far more genuinely logical and Reasonable than the "logic" of the U*Us I know. On those occasions that my logic is "less than linear" it none-the-less usually hits the mark it is aimed at. You have heard of curve-balls haven't you Joel? If you are going to make such accusations I suggest that you back them up with some clear examples that actually support them. . .

:You have more alter egos than the Justice League of America, and from their writing, they have separate personalities.

Oh dear. My alter egos suffer from multiple personality disorder. I guess Joel's ever so linear U*U "logic" can only conclude that the *real* Robin Edgar suffers from multiple personality disorder along with every "role playing" actor of course. . . For the record I don't have *that* many alter egos Joel, in fact three of them were only created quite recently in a deliberately over-the-top response to *real* aka *qualified* psychotherapist David G. Markham's suggestion that I should run for UUA President. If you fail to recognize them as fun-poking parody and satire and take them seriously *I* would say that maybe *you* need to get your head checked Joel. . .

:Your persecution complex is combined with delusions of grandeur*.

My "persecution complex" Joel? What a joke. I don't have a persecution complex at all. I actually am being persecuted, to say nothing of unjustly prosecuted. . . by intolerant Totalitarian U*Unitarians. I well remember the words of one of the aging congregants of the Unitarian Church of Montreal as I walked past her after having informed the congregation that Rev. Ray Drennan had labeled me as psychotic, Creation Day as a cult, and my monotheistic religious beliefs as nothing but "silliness and fantasy". She said, "I don't believe that you are (a victim) of religious persecution." I had not said anything about "religious persecution" though, I had simply told the congregation what Rev. Ray Drennan had said in the briefest and most concise terms. *She* obviously recognized that what I had told the congregation about Rev. Ray Drennan's intolerant and abusive behavior amounted to "religious persecution" though, even if she claimed that she did not "believe it". . .

:You display multiple forms of obsessive/compulsive behavior, and one of your obsessions- with the rectum- demonstrates a personality arrested in the anal-retentive stage.

ROTFLMU*UO! I really hope that your comment is intended as satire and parody Joel because if it isn't, and quite regrettably I have "reasonable grounds" to believe that it is not. . . your amateurish psycho*anal*ysis of yours truly is going to make a lot of people believe that you are a great big U*U asshole aka rectU*Um. . . Just because I repeatedly take the piss out of U*Us for U*Unwittingly U*Using Kurt Vonnegut Jr.'s "picture of an asshole" to symbolize the alleged "inclusiveness" of Unitarian*Universalism now aka The U*U Movement, and am somewhat anal-retentive of Rev. Victoria Weinstein's big fat U*U "sodomy fantasy" because I find it to be quite U*Useful in demonstrating exactly what kind of outrageous *shit* the UUA's aptly named Ministerial *Fellowship* Committe allows its "less than excellent" aka obscene U*U ministers to get away with, in no way means that I have any *real* obsession with the rectU*Um aka anU*Us aka asshole aka * Joel.

:Clearly, "reasonable grounds" for saying you would benefit from drugs- but I may have been mistaken about Risperdal; it may not be strong enough.

Not at all Joel. Far from it. If anything they are yet another *example* of your boneheaded stU*Upidity. . .

:*As to one of your delusions- that of driving thousands from UU- even if true,

I never said anything about "driving" thousands of people *from* U*Uism Joel, but I do have reasonable grounds to believe that the U*U World has probably failed to gain some hundreds, and possibly even a few thousand, potential members *partly* as a result of their being exposed to my ongoing public protest against U*U injustices, abuses and hypocrisy in one way or another. As I said I know for a fact that just in terms of the Unitarian Church of Montreal alone the U*U World lost a number of existing members and failed to gain some dozens of new members, if not a hundred or more over the span of my public protest activity, that likely would have been gained had U*Us not obstinately refused to responsibly redress my legitimate grievances.

:(a laughable contention),

Laugh all you want to Joel. We will see who has the last laugh in this matter. I am confident that, one way or another, God will have the last laugh on U*Us if I don't. . .

:well, I offer you a quote from "Small Favor", by Jim Butcher:
"...It took a freaking genius to put this together, Michael."

Hey I will take that as a compliment Joel.

:I hefted my staff.

Oh dear. Should I duck or something Joel?

:"Fortunately," I said, and took a two-handed swing at the nearest strand of slender, delicate crystal. It shattered with gratifying ease, and the encasing light around the greater circle began to waver and dissipate. "It only takes a monkey with a big stick to take it apart."

I don't see any strands of slender, delicate crystal around here Joel. Maybe I am delU*Usional or something though.

:How's your mullet doing, oh psychotic-monkey-with-a-big-stick?

I never had a mullet Joel, not even a pony tail. How about you?

Do enjoy my big stick though. :-)
Thursday, February 05, 2009 10:20:00 pm
Robin Edgar said…
So where's that "whirlwind" of yours Joel? Or is it just a half-frozen mild-mannered butterfly *vainly* trying to flap its frost-covered wings in the corpse-cold U*Unitarian winter of Indiana?
Thursday, February 05, 2009 11:27:00 pm
Chalicechick said…
I think Joel's point was that the worst thing anyone can say to Robin Edgar is nothing and that ignoring you will bug you more than any insult one could come up with.

CC
Friday, February 06, 2009 10:08:00 am
Robin Edgar said…
I suppose that you *might* be right CC but, if so, Joel is badly mistaken about his silence being the worst thing anyone can say to someone like me, or even *me*, *myself*, and *I*. I don't have any need or desire for Joel's negative attention at all. I am not saying that it isn't boatloads of fun to engage in "less than intellectual" U*U-U*U-Eh wrestling with Joel and other egotistically delU*Usional U*Us but it's not like I don't have better things that I can do with my time. . .

I guess that time will tell just what Joel meant but I can't say I wasn't looking forward to blowing this U*U blowhard's "threatened" whirlwind right back at him. Still there a plenty of other weird U*U fish to fry in the U*U Sea of Hypocrisy. :-)

I *really* should get around to blogging about Rev. Calvin O. Dame's interesting take on Small Group Ministry which *might* have involved some "less than small" gropes from what *I* hear. . .
Friday, February 06, 2009 1:44:00 pm
Robin Edgar said…
I gotta laugh Joel.

You lend a whole new meaning to the word "windbag". . .

You threaten a "whirlwind" and then you bag it!

ROTFLMU*UO!
Monday, February 16, 2009 12:56:00 am
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