FUUSE blew it. . . It looks Like The Emerson Avenger Blew FUUSE's fuse. . .
Greetings from Soviet Canuckistan Jonnyfire,
I realize that I have been on a bit of a posting spree today but most of those posts that you moved because they were allegedly "off topic" actually were on topic. I would ask you to review them and put them back where they came from.
FUUSE claims to be Anti Censorship but removing my posts from threads and hiding them elsewhere is in fact a form of censorship.
I wanted to politely and positively reply to Jedi Liz's post asking me to slow down a bit but I cannot do so because it seems that I am now being forced to "sign" the FUUSE covenant. Demanding that I sign the FUUSE covenant before I can post anything else is most certainly a form of censorship. . . Please be so kind as to allow me to post without signing the covenant for now.
:FUUSE is taking a firm stance on censorship, by not allowing any.
It looks like you are allowing at least some censorship of my posts. . .
:Call it an expirement if you will.
May I call it a Freudian slip?
:There have already been countless endeavours in trying to censor various levels of various different things throughout time and the world.
Indeed there have already been countless endeavours in trying to censor various levels of various different things throughout the UU World. . . I have the proud distinction of probably being the most heavily censored UU in the UU World. Of course if someone else has been even more heavily censored than yours truly I might not have heard about it. . .
:Here and now we are going to find out what happens when we censor nothing.
Does that make me and/or my posts to FUUSE "nothing" Jonnyfire?
:If you see, hear or read anything on FUUSE that you think is inappropriate or hurtful or obscene, You are encouraged to approach the source of the material and educate in the reasons why you think it shouldn't have happened, or why it is innapropriate or hurtful or obscene.
Sounds good to me but so far nobody has approached me in that regard however it does look very much like I am in fact being censored here. . . Please put my posts back where you found them and lift the requirement to sign the FUUSE "covenant" for the time being. A true "covenant" is a formal agreement between two parties and, since the FUUSE "covenant" effectively imposes self-censorship on those who "sign" it I would like to avoid that censorship for a while or even for more than a while.
:Or even better post responses on the message board for the whole community. (hopefully clear and well-thought-out responses, because Name-calling is pretty fucking weak don't you think?)
Indeed I do think Name-calling is pretty fucking weak that is precisely why I am protesting against Rev. Ray Drennan's and other intolerant UUs' hostile and abusive Name-calling in front of the Unitarian Church of Montreal most Sundays. I am also protesting name-calling and other UU injustices, abuses and hypocrisy on the inter-connected web of the internet, including the allegedly uncensored FUUSE web site. . .
:oops, look at what I just did.
Don't worry I saw what you just did. . .
:Let the anti censorship experiment begin!
It look's like the anti censorship experiment just expired Jonny Fire.
If I was Donald Trump I just might say, "You're fired Jonny Fire."
But I'm not Donald Trump so I will politely request that you allow the anti censorship experiment to continue for a while and even longer than a while.
Allah prochaine,
The Sweet Dagger of Reason
aka The Emerson Avenger
aka GodKnowsWho
aka Robin Edgar
I realize that I have been on a bit of a posting spree today but most of those posts that you moved because they were allegedly "off topic" actually were on topic. I would ask you to review them and put them back where they came from.
FUUSE claims to be Anti Censorship but removing my posts from threads and hiding them elsewhere is in fact a form of censorship.
I wanted to politely and positively reply to Jedi Liz's post asking me to slow down a bit but I cannot do so because it seems that I am now being forced to "sign" the FUUSE covenant. Demanding that I sign the FUUSE covenant before I can post anything else is most certainly a form of censorship. . . Please be so kind as to allow me to post without signing the covenant for now.
:FUUSE is taking a firm stance on censorship, by not allowing any.
It looks like you are allowing at least some censorship of my posts. . .
:Call it an expirement if you will.
May I call it a Freudian slip?
:There have already been countless endeavours in trying to censor various levels of various different things throughout time and the world.
Indeed there have already been countless endeavours in trying to censor various levels of various different things throughout the UU World. . . I have the proud distinction of probably being the most heavily censored UU in the UU World. Of course if someone else has been even more heavily censored than yours truly I might not have heard about it. . .
:Here and now we are going to find out what happens when we censor nothing.
Does that make me and/or my posts to FUUSE "nothing" Jonnyfire?
:If you see, hear or read anything on FUUSE that you think is inappropriate or hurtful or obscene, You are encouraged to approach the source of the material and educate in the reasons why you think it shouldn't have happened, or why it is innapropriate or hurtful or obscene.
Sounds good to me but so far nobody has approached me in that regard however it does look very much like I am in fact being censored here. . . Please put my posts back where you found them and lift the requirement to sign the FUUSE "covenant" for the time being. A true "covenant" is a formal agreement between two parties and, since the FUUSE "covenant" effectively imposes self-censorship on those who "sign" it I would like to avoid that censorship for a while or even for more than a while.
:Or even better post responses on the message board for the whole community. (hopefully clear and well-thought-out responses, because Name-calling is pretty fucking weak don't you think?)
Indeed I do think Name-calling is pretty fucking weak that is precisely why I am protesting against Rev. Ray Drennan's and other intolerant UUs' hostile and abusive Name-calling in front of the Unitarian Church of Montreal most Sundays. I am also protesting name-calling and other UU injustices, abuses and hypocrisy on the inter-connected web of the internet, including the allegedly uncensored FUUSE web site. . .
:oops, look at what I just did.
Don't worry I saw what you just did. . .
:Let the anti censorship experiment begin!
It look's like the anti censorship experiment just expired Jonny Fire.
If I was Donald Trump I just might say, "You're fired Jonny Fire."
But I'm not Donald Trump so I will politely request that you allow the anti censorship experiment to continue for a while and even longer than a while.
Allah prochaine,
The Sweet Dagger of Reason
aka The Emerson Avenger
aka GodKnowsWho
aka Robin Edgar
Comments
We, the members of FUUSE.com, agree to...
...embrace the FUUSE community and the diversity of people and opinions that make it up;
...discuss issues in a supportive, non-judgmental, and constructive way;
...voice opinions in a manner that respects differing opinions;
...seek out the support we need from the appropriate sources;
...strive to make FUUSE a safe and welcoming place;
...be willing to listen.
At face value in general terms, if everyone actually lives uo to it I have no serious problem with the FUUSE covenant. I generally agree with its terms. As you well know however I am posting about various injustices, abuses and hypocrisy within the UU religious community. That being the case I did not want to sign the covenant because those who sign it agree to discuss issues in discuss issues in "a supportive, non-judgmental, and constructive way". I cannot discuss UU injustices, abuses and hypocrisy in a "supportive way" nor can I discuss them in a "non-judgmental" way, at least in the broadest sense of the word "(non)judgmental". I did not want the FUUSE covenant to be effectively used in a way that imposed unacceptable limitations on my freedom of expression and thus decided that the most honest and integrity preserving thing to do was to simply not sign it.
I will add that I have now been censored by FUUSE and efferctively banned from posting to FUUSE by Jonny Fire. Some much for the FUUSE anti censorship expoeriment. . .
Sorry about the sloppy typos.
The covenant is between the members, so the question is can you discuss the topic of UU injustices in a manner that is supportive, non-judgemental and constructive in regards to the other members of FUUSE. It is not a covenant with the topic/thread of the discussion. For example a post on Racism is not required to be supportive of racism, a topic of injustice does not have to be constructive of injustice.
If you truly can not discuss the topics in a manner respectful of the other members of FUUSE, then I do applaud your restraint.
I guess you will call it censorship if you like, but I did read your posts, they are still available.
And personally I do think if your intention is to improve UUism as a whole by making Unitarian Universalism a more positive experience for it's members then you would certainly be supportive and constructive of UUism by pointing out injustices, etc.
:The covenant is between the members, so the question is can you discuss the topic of UU injustices in a manner that is supportive, non-judgemental and constructive in regards to the other members of FUUSE.
Well in that case there is not really a problem other than that short-FUUSEd Jonny Fire jumped the gun and started massively pigeon-holing albeit not actually totally "memory holing" most of my my posts. How can I be "supportive" and "non-judgemental" in the face of such obvious censorship on a site that expressly purports to be anti censorship? I poked a bit of fun at Jonny Fire in my really quite polite requests that he put everything back where he found it and he blew his rather short FUUSE and quite dictatorially banned me from posting to FUUSE. . .
:It is not a covenant with the topic/thread of the discussion.
I agree, however it seemed that the FUUSE "covenant" could be used as a lame excuse or rationalization to censor me in any case and since I have had so much past experience with flagrant UU censorship I decided that it was better all round not to sign the covenant. I take note of the fact that some FUUSE administrators have not signed it yet. . . I was simply trying to maximize my ability to "speak and argue freely according to conscience" as it were and do so withn integrity.
:For example a post on Racism is not required to be supportive of racism, a topic of injustice does not have to be constructive of injustice.
One would hope so however UUs have unjustly censored me so many times now on the lamest of excuses and rationalizationst that I did not want to take any chances that the FUUSE "covenant" would be used as an excuse to censor me. As it is Jonny Fire banned me from posting on the excuse that I had not signed the "covenant" which is an even lamer excuse and rationalization than if I had actually signed it and then had been unjustly censored or banned.
:If you truly can not discuss the topics in a manner respectful of the other members of FUUSE, then I do applaud your restraint.
I do have plenty of restraint. There was two years worth of useless letter writing before I decided to publicly protest and I only did that after I had been unjustly expelled from the Unitarian Church of Montreal for submitting one more letter of grievance than the Board cared to toss in the recycling bin. . . I am usually respectful and civil towards those who are respectful and civil towards me however, in that I have been repeatedly insulted and attacked by various hostile and abusive UUs I now have a policy of giving as good as I get when I am insulted and attacked by UUs who flaunt the "covenants" of UUism's Seven Principles.
:I guess you will call it censorship if you like, but I did read your posts, they are still available.
It is a form of censorship if the posts are removed from the pertinent threads that they were posted to and "pigeon holed" in a single area, especially when no notice of that fact is given in the threads that the posts were originally posted to and subsequently removed from. A site that claims to be anti censorship shouldn't move posts period. If FUUSE had a problem with my posts they should have folowed their own advice and spoken to me about it. They did no such thing before the wholesale removal of my posts from the threads that they were posted to.
Jonny Fire asserted in a private email that came only after I complained about his censorship that my posts were "off topic" to the threads I posted to. This is a standard ploy of UU censors. . . In fact most if not all were very much "on topic" to the subjects and/or concepts being discussed or reasonably played off of those topics.
:And personally I do think if your intention is to improve UUism as a whole by making Unitarian Universalism a more positive experience for it's members then you would certainly be supportive and constructive of UUism by pointing out injustices, etc.
That is what I have been trying to do for close to a decade now but most UUs don't want to hear about it and even less want to actually DO anything about the injustices, abuses, and quite frankly outtrageous hypocrisy that I am exposing and denouncing. Thanks for your affirmation of my Unitarian "jihad". Can I ask you and indeed a few other UUs to join it and help out a bit?
Allah prochaine,
The Sweet Dagger of Reason
FUUSE have now progressed, or perhaps I should say regressed. . . from "pigeon holing" most of my posts to all out "memory holing" of a post to FUUSE NEWS.
Google can find it but, in that it was removed from the FUUSE news section fewer UUs will see it. FUUSE is definitely engaging in censorship in spite of all their claims to the contrary. But what's new check out this UU tract, written years ago by Rev. Charles Eddis of the Unitarian Church of Montreal, which purports that UUs are oppsed to censorship by church, state, or any other institution. . . and then compare it to this flagrant act of censorship in which the Unitarian Church of Montreal misused and abused State criminal law in a misguided, cynical, stunningly hypocritical but ultimately futile attempt to completely "arrest" my legitimate public protest that exposes and denounces Unitarian Universalist injustices, abuses and hypocrisy, and not just those that directly affect me. . .
I can understand you're desire to have it in a high traffic location, but that don't make it News.
I can understand you being upset about it being moved to a lower traffic area, but that don't make it News.
Your letter is more worthy of a personal journal than a "News" item. An accusation of censorship is bogus.
Maybe this is the church for Robin Edgar